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Old 09-09-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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This is from February from what I understand;

"What the U.S. House of Representatives did today – actually a very narrow majority of the House – was shameful. Cruel. Callous. Venal.

The vote in favor of H.J. Resolution 69, authored by Alaska’s Rep. Don Young, was 225 to 193. Those 225 members voted to overturn a federal rule – years in the works, and crafted by professional wildlife managers at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service – to stop some of the most appalling practices ever imagined in the contemporary era of wildlife management. Denning of wolf pups, killing hibernating bears, spotting grizzly bears from aircraft and then shooting them after landing, and trapping grizzly bears and black bears with steel-jawed leghold traps and snares. The stuff of wildlife snuff films."

https://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne...es-alaska.html

So I'm listening to this congressman from Alaska who is going on and on about how "illegal" it was to protect the animals on the Federal reserve, thus "depriving people of Alaska of their rights." Supposedly.
Can anyone explain to me, how killing animals in their dens ( their young including) is a good thing?
What purpose does it serve, that the Congress has voted for this measure?
Am I missing something here?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfyu3wDLVhk&t=254s

And I thought only Russia's "new rich" loved to hunt the Red Book animals and "train" their dogs on captive bears.
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Old 09-09-2017, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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This is from February from what I understand;

"What the U.S. House of Representatives did today – actually a very narrow majority of the House – was shameful. Cruel. Callous. Venal.

The vote in favor of H.J. Resolution 69, authored by Alaska’s Rep. Don Young, was 225 to 193. Those 225 members voted to overturn a federal rule – years in the works, and crafted by professional wildlife managers at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service – to stop some of the most appalling practices ever imagined in the contemporary era of wildlife management. Denning of wolf pups, killing hibernating bears, spotting grizzly bears from aircraft and then shooting them after landing, and trapping grizzly bears and black bears with steel-jawed leghold traps and snares. The stuff of wildlife snuff films."

https://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne...es-alaska.html

So I'm listening to this congressman from Alaska who is going on and on about how "illegal" it was to protect the animals on the Federal reserve, thus "depriving people of Alaska of their rights." Supposedly.
Can anyone explain to me, how killing animals in their dens ( their young including) is a good thing?
What purpose does it serve, that the Congress has voted for this measure?
Am I missing something here?


And I thought only Russia's "new rich" loved to hunt the Red Book animals and "train" their dogs on captive bears.
Just to point out..this was just a resolution--not law until Senate votes and Trumps signs.
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Old 09-09-2017, 05:42 PM
 
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Just to point out..this was just a resolution--not law until Senate votes and Trumps signs.
Oh, so there is still a hope?

How realistic this hope is, what do you think?
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Old 09-09-2017, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Oh, so there is still a hope?

How realistic this hope is, what do you think?
Honestly? For Congress, this is a small issue..it might get folded into some other bill..or it might get lost in a committee.

Your best hope is that Congress is so inept..that it's hard for them to pass anything.
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Honestly? For Congress, this is a small issue..it might get folded into some other bill..or it might get lost in a committee.

Your best hope is that Congress is so inept..that it's hard for them to pass anything.
Actually from what I see now, they've already passed the law... amazingly speedy then, huh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGcr4FoemJ0

Truly disgusting.
No nation can do that and still consider itself to be a "civilized" one in my opinion.
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Old 09-09-2017, 10:33 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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It looks like all they did is return control back to the state of Alaska, where is was before the Federal goverenment took over. More of a "states' rights" move.
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Old 09-09-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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It looks like all they did is return control back to the state of Alaska, where is was before the Federal goverenment took over. More of a "states' rights" move.
And "returning control" means exactly what?
Allowing to kill animals ( and their young) in their dens?
I ask again - how this is a good thing?
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Old 09-09-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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The state would know best. Perhaps the predators are wiping out the rest of the critters. Or maybe there isn't enough food so many would starve. That is what wildlife rangers do I believe. I had a friend whose job it was to cull deer because they'd starve in the winter.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:00 PM
 
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Oh, good grief. Put a bit of effort forth and look at the law of the state you are interested in. De-listing the grizz does not mean people will be going out and killing hibernating bear and their cubs.

The HSUS is just exaggerating/twisting things to get your money.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:18 PM
 
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The state would know best. Perhaps the predators are wiping out the rest of the critters. Or maybe there isn't enough food so many would starve. That is what wildlife rangers do I believe. I had a friend whose job it was to cull deer because they'd starve in the winter.
Why would the "state know best?"
Why the professional wildlife managers at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wouldn't know BETTER about "predators wiping out the rest of critters" or "not enough food" for animals?
They'd be the first one to be concerned with those matters, wouldn't they? They are professionals after all.
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