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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
The thing to remember is that Federal law is above state/city laws
Federal law states that it is illegal to harbor/aid an illegal alien....so sanctuary cities are illegal and violating federal law
If Cali wants to become a sanctuary state, it would then (as a state) be in violation of federal law.....
If Cali wants to become a sanctuary state, then they should seriously think about the Calexit idea
Cali is a very large state (land and population)....cali has a large economy (cant remember the exact number something like the 7th, or 9th, or 16th in the world)....Cali also has an extremely large debt
but put it to a completely STATE WIDE VOTE...don't just allow a few to dictate to the entire state
also put out ALL THE INFORMATION to the population, so they can make an informative vote
the population (that will vote) needs to know a few things about the consequences of a Calexit
if the PEOPLE of California want to become a sanctuary state, or to exit the USA....the PEOPLE should have that vote, not be dictated by a senile Governor or just a group of ''representatives'' that are not following what the people want
They are following what the majority wants. Mexico and the dem sympathizers can control any vote in CA.
Pull all Feds out of there, since they wish to be above federal laws - all the military bases, all FBI, all federal agricultural supports, all federal prisons, all federal park supports, all of it - let the state provide it all.
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25% of all illegals in the country are in California. They have a drivers license so they can vote. They are welcomed by the democrats for their illegal vote.
More adults voted in the presidential election than is suppose to be legally able to vote in this country. Numbers were way over and we know not every legal person votes. So this tells me many illegals are voting. The left is so crooked and corrupt.
Pull all Feds out of there, since they wish to be above federal laws - all the military bases, all FBI, all federal agricultural supports, all federal prisons, all federal park supports, all of it - let the state provide it all.
Not sure if they wish to be 'above' all Federal laws..they just don't want to enforce it..which is their right.
It's a violation of the Constitution. They have no authority under the Constitution to make there own immigration and naturalization policy, and it is a violation of 8 USC 1324 to knowingly harbor persons in this country illegally, which is what Sanctuary Cities (or a State) is doing.
Any person, or official would be subject to stiff penalties, which apply to each individual who is being "harbored" (or protected from detection) under this statute.
Apparently CA officials have never read the Constitution, and/or are unaware of this law.
Another law that applies to "undocumented" (illegal) aliens is 8 USC 1611, which makes it illegal for such undocumented (illegal) aliens to receive benefits or any taxpayer funds (education at taxpayer expense, for example, welfare benefits, etc.).
They are thumbing their nose at the Constitution, which they swore an oath to uphold, and to see that the Laws are faithfully executed. That means ALL laws, not just the ones they like.
I agree with you, but really that is not the argument. The sanctuary city idea is not about circumvention, the federal government is quite free to carry on in it's pursuit.
The Federal government can not force the state to devote any resources to enforcing the federal law. That is federal overreach.
The local communities have their own reasons. The biggest one seems to be that witnesses to a crime will not come forward out of fear of deportation. There is also the matter that employers have been known to exploit workers, a form of human trafficking, because the workers will not report the abusers out of fear. Sometimes it's just a matter of not paying the minimum wage, or illegal deductions or late payroll ... sometimes it is much worse and dark and sinister. In order to keep the community open to law enforcement, they are trying to allay fears.
For example, if your father (uncle, brother, daughter) was murdered (God forbid!) and the only chance witness or witnesses happened to be here illegally, they would likely not tell the police anything unless they felt safe in doing so. If you would want justice I am sure you would wish someone would come forward. In large cities and states these types of scenarios play out over and over again.
The way you make it sound, illegals are the only ones that witness crimes.
Perhaps that is so, because many of the crimes happen in their own neighborhoods.
I guess whites, blacks, asians indians, russians, armenians, are not able to see crimes being committed.
It's a violation of the Constitution. They have no authority under the Constitution to make there own immigration and naturalization policy, and it is a violation of 8 USC 1324 to knowingly harbor persons in this country illegally, which is what Sanctuary Cities (or a State) is doing.
Any person, or official would be subject to stiff penalties, which apply to each individual who is being "harbored" (or protected from detection) under this statute.
Apparently CA officials have never read the Constitution, and/or are unaware of this law.
Another law that applies to "undocumented" (illegal) aliens is 8 USC 1611, which makes it illegal for such undocumented (illegal) aliens to receive benefits or any taxpayer funds (education at taxpayer expense, for example, welfare benefits, etc.).
They are thumbing their nose at the Constitution, which they swore an oath to uphold, and to see that the Laws are faithfully executed. That means ALL laws, not just the ones they like.
They are not 'trying to make their own immigration and naturalization policy' They are not 'harboring' illegals.
They are making a political point..one I disagree with, BTW. Yes, by not asking students immigration status..they are being ingenuous--but not breaking the law.
No, they do not have to enforce Federal law...case law is crystal clear on this.
I don't know, I have read arguments pro and con and it makes one think.
California is the size of some countries, even larger than a few. I don't live there, so I guess if I am an advocate of state's rights I would have to say what they do is their own business.
Not quite. The Constitution of the United States, ratified by every State, delegated certain powers to the Federal Government. One of those powers was to create Uniform Rules for Immigration and Naturalization. No State can make their own rules (such rules would not be "uniform").
Therefore, "Sanctuary Cities" (or States) are a violation of the Constitution.
They are also a violation of 8 USC 1324 and 8 USC 1611 which deal with the harboring of persons known to be in the United States illegally, and disqualification of undocumented (illegal) aliens from receiving benefits or taxpayer funds.
They are not 'trying to make their own immigration and naturalization policy' They are not 'harboring' illegals.
They are making a political point..one I disagree with, BTW. Yes, by not asking students immigration status..they are being ingenuous--but not breaking the law.
No, they do not have to enforce Federal law...case law is crystal clear on this.
Cut and paste is not always your friend.
They absolutely are knowingly harboring illegal aliens, and they absolutely are making their own policy (y'all come on in ...y'all are welcome). That is an immigration policy, illegal under the US Constitution.
They are also distributing benefits to illegals.
What case law do you refer to? The Constitution is the highest law in the land, and no Case Law is superior. Further, 8 USC 1324 and 8 USC 1611 are "crystal clear."
Cut and paste is your friend when you want to quote the law, which would take a long time to retype manually. Why would you do that?
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