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Let me guess...."no YOU sound like your 4 year old!"
Every post you have made you whine about people mentioning My Lay. If you don't want to talk about it, then why do you bring it up with every post? What's the point of coming to a thread just to whine about what other people post? If you have something to say about something you want to talk about, then say it, and quit whining about what other people say. This was a good thread until you showed up.
Looks like he did what the sister of that kid from Saratoga Springs did after her brother was killed - joined the anti-war movement. He speaks of it at the very end, gets the "last word" in that episode, so to speak. He alluded to it, probably will go into greater detail tonight.
Not surprising. Ya, I remember Mogie Corker's sister discussing how she got involved after her brother died.
Every post you have made you whine about people mentioning My Lay. If you don't want to talk about it, then why do you bring it up with every post? What's the point of coming to a thread just to whine about what other people post? If you have something to say about something you want to talk about, then say it, and quit whining about what other people say. This was a good thread until you showed up.
Again you sound like one of my kids. I'm seeing a few posters in this thread who are determined to bring it up wherever possible and use it to define our entire involvement in the war. It's getting tiresome. We know it happened, we know it was indefensible. Now what?
The college deferment policy was a JOKE, and a travesty to those that could not afford to stay in school. I knew of many who just took needless college courses to avoid the draft. However, I did see a stat where 75% of U.S. armed forces that served in Vietnam VOLUNTEERED, not drafted.
It was controversial, as so many things surrounding Vietnam were, with some people saying that the author did not tell the truth about the drinking, drug use, and sex that went on in the field hospitals. I thought it was interesting.
Thanks. I'll check it out. Yes, lots of controversy for sure.
Y'all cain raise your hand if you had your ****e together when you were 17 years old. Most of us did not. For that reason Vietnam when the war came calling us seemed out of time, another time and to many more of us a threat to our lives. We did not understand the larger issues of communism and capitalism. But we knew in between learning how to type and speak a language in high school, the unstated prerequisite was to fight for our country.
There were deferments originally, Student, Conscientious Objector, Health and others. Those who had supportive families or friends learned how to approach the issue and apply based upon beliefs or disability. But mostly we were naive and pretty unprepared. There was no national feeling except the silent majority and the protestors.
It was a dirty dirty business which failed. Many of us cannot hold our weeping back and many more are still in shock. There was no imbedded journalists there were no sides really there was only a bloody war in a hot jungle which created nothing except misery for millions.
Ive never really liked Ken Burns. I admire his work, but I don't care for the man. Perhaps it's the lack of empathy, or the tearless eyes. Maybe it's he can spit out TV shows on Baseball and War in the same breath...catastrophically chilling the latter and an amusement the former.
If you are younger than I then know this. The plague of war touched everyone in the USA during this time No one was immune to the effects of the deaths the injuries and the protests. Imagine a million people marching every week in the streets. Very few things broken just marching. The war was a catastrophe for our culture. No one escaped the effects. I have never seen more tears shed or more sadness from a war in my lifetime. I pray that I never do. If evil has a face Vietnam would be the left half of the face, grinning at you., teeth bared laughing, as it invited you into death, shame, disability and tragedy.
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Lighten up, Colorado. It's not like Trump opened relations with China. That goes back to Nixon.
As much as I disliked Nixon and hope he has an especially tortuous place in hell, I thought it made sense to open relations with China rather than pretending they weren't there. Threats don't disappear because you ignore them.
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It's been bipartisan treachery. I mean, I'm as appalled as anyone by Trump, but the dude has only been in office for nine months. Or has it been nine years? Feels like it sometimes.
But, in what I think appropriate in a discussion about Vietnam, Trump compared his 'struggle' to avoid getting the clap with service in Vietnam. IMO a man of his generation was a total jackass to say such a thing as he should have realized how many it affected at the time and continues to affect today with life-altering injuries and missing people at the family table. He may have all the material things a man could possibly want but compassion and empathy are apparently beyond his reach and he's a lesser man because of it. I'm of that generation and I don't know anyone who has ever made light-hearted banter about that horrible war.
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