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Old 09-22-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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So in spite of computers, speedier access to materials, a more developed infrastructure and instantaneous communication. People in California in 1936 were able to design and build a longer span of bridge, at a much faster rate, at a fraction of the cost.

Only benefit we have now is the safety factor.
In other words, who cares that 54 people died building the old bridge? Not to mention: the new bridge is better in terms of seismic resilience. That's pretty important for critical infrastructure that suffered major damage in the last big shake.

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Protect is to shield illegal alien criminals from deportation.

Sanctuary state bill, let alone all the sanctuary cities. Maybe you should look it up.
Sanctuary bills do not shield aliens from deportation. Maybe you should look it up.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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Protect is to shield illegal alien criminals from deportation.

Sanctuary state bill, let alone all the sanctuary cities. Maybe you should look it up.
I have looked these policies up and read them. Have you?

Here is San Francisco's: Sanctuary City Ordinance | Office of Civic Engagement & Immigrant Affairs

No where does it say anything about "shielding" illegal alien criminals from deportation.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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So in spite of computers, speedier access to materials, a more developed infrastructure and instantaneous communication. People in California in 1936 were able to design and build a longer span of bridge, at a much faster rate, at a fraction of the cost.

Only benefit we have now is the safety factor.
Again, what you describe is not specific to CA.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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I have looked these policies up and read them. Have you?

Here is San Francisco's: Sanctuary City Ordinance | Office of Civic Engagement & Immigrant Affairs

No where does it say anything about "shielding" illegal alien criminals from deportation.
So forbidding local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration officials isn’t shielding them from deportation? You obviously haven’t looked it up. Typical California liberal thinking.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbe...174651511.html
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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So forbidding local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration officials isn’t shielding them from deportation? You obviously haven’t looked it up. Typical California liberal thinking.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbe...174651511.html
I actually linked you to the policy. Please read it. It's not hard. Click on the link and use your eyes to read the words on the screen. Sanctuary City Ordinance | Office of Civic Engagement & Immigrant Affairs

Please show me where it shields illegal aliens from deportation. Or where it says they will not hand over people to ICE who are here illegally (this happens).

You will find language in there stating that they will not do the job of ICE for them. Which is all "sanctuary city" policy is.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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I actually linked you to the policy. Please read it. It's not hard. Click on the link and use your eyes to read the words on the screen. Sanctuary City Ordinance | Office of Civic Engagement & Immigrant Affairs

Please show me where it shields illegal aliens from deportation. Or where it says they will not hand over people to ICE who are here illegally (this happens).

You will find language in there stating that they will not do the job of ICE for them. Which is all "sanctuary city" policy is.
Thank you, I read it. The policy says that city officials are prohibited from cooperating with ICE when they have “hold” orders on individuals.

The city officials are prohibited from cooperating with any federal investigation, detention or arrest related to any alleged violations of federal immigration law. If that’s not shielding illegal aliens I don’t know what is.

It’s astounding that these so called leaders put everyone at risk for non citizens. It’s disgraceful.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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Thank you, I read it. The policy says that city officials are prohibited from cooperating with ICE when they have “hold” orders on individuals.

The city officials are prohibited from cooperating with any federal investigation, detention or arrest related to any alleged violations of federal immigration law. If that’s not shielding illegal aliens I don’t know what is.

It’s astounding that these so called leaders put everyone at risk for non citizens. It’s disgraceful.
If ICE is not doing their job, perhaps they need more funding and resources? I don't want my local tax money going to fund federal work. It's not that difficult to understand.

This is not shielding illegal immigrants. They will hand over these people to ICE agents. You asked "If that’s not shielding illegal aliens I don’t know what is"...Not handing them over to ICE would be exactly that. And they do not do that. They will not do ICE's job for them, though.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:49 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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In other words, who cares that 54 people died building the old bridge? Not to mention: the new bridge is better in terms of seismic resilience. That's pretty important for critical infrastructure that suffered major damage in the last big shake.
Implementing better safety protocols and constructing a more seismically resilient bridge can be achieved without spending 18x the cost per ft.

Also...Plague of problems puts Bay Bridge seismic safety in question - SFGate

In spite of our 6.4 billion already spent.....
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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If ICE is not doing their job, perhaps they need more funding and resources? I don't want my local tax money going to fund federal work. It's not that difficult to understand.

This is not shielding illegal immigrants. They will hand over these people to ICE agents. You asked "If that’s not shielding illegal aliens I don’t know what is"...Not handing them over to ICE would be exactly that. And they do not do that. They will not do ICE's job for them, though.
What part of not cooperating do you not understand? You can deny it all day long, but they are shielding them. Not only that, they’re setting aside money for a legal defense for the criminals.

That’s insane and anyone who thinks this is a good policy has some issues.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:13 PM
 
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What part of not cooperating do you not understand? You can deny it all day long, but they are shielding them. Not only that, they’re setting aside money for a legal defense for the criminals.

That’s insane and anyone who thinks this is a good policy has some issues.
They will cooperate with them if required by a court order or mandated by law. They also will not release people who have criminal warrants.

They will not necesarilly recognize an ICE detainer just because the person is suspected of being here illegally (assuming no other crime), however. They will not do ICE's job for them.

They will not prevent ICE from doing their job, either. Perhaps ICE needs more personnel and resources?


For what it is worth, I'm not fully in agreement with the policy - but it's there, and I don't think it is legally wrong.

This issue has come before the Supreme court in the past:
http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarc...1p.pdf#page=19
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/sa...ners-a-primer/

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