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Old 09-22-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Yeah if service is that poor and the company disreputable, the consumers will put them out. Smells like the cabbies paid off the right politicians to have their market protected.
Pretty much. Wonder how much the Wrath of Khan cost.
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:23 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Pretty much. Wonder how much the Wrath of Khan cost.
The decision was mainly Transport for London's, however the police in London have been openly critical of Uber in relation to it's failure to report sexual assaults, it's background checks in relation to criminal records and the use of greyball technology to evade law enforcement.

Greyball: What is the creepy feature that got Uber banned in London? | The Independent

On top of this you have Ubers poor contracts that have been deemed gibberish in Parliament, and the fact that drivers must by law only work certain hours before having a rest, something Uber drivers admit to breaking. Furthermore driving tired is not good and leads to accidents.

It also should be noted that Uber lost it's case at a UK employment tribunal last year and Uber drivers in London are now no longer classed as self employed, they are employees and Uber must now pay them the minimum wage and holiday pay etc.

UK tribunal rules Uber drivers deserve workers' rights | Reuters

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Old 09-22-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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Ive never quite understood why Uber was so popular, it seems to me, this service was already here, in the form of cab companies, seems like they are just re-inventing the wheel to some degree, and if a cab company wanted more business, whats stopping the drivers from just becoming Uber drivers themselves?

I just heard recently Uber started delivering things like fast food to people, but again, many cab companies have already been doing this for years, maybe people just didnt know they would, IDK?
Cabs are way more expensive. Where I live I can take uber or lyft for 20 bucks to somewhere where it would cost over 40 from a cab company.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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I dont see how they could be considered 'ride sharing' when they are a for profit company.
What does ride sharing have to do with making a profit?
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:32 PM
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Cabs are way more expensive. Where I live I can take uber or lyft for 20 bucks to somewhere where it would cost over 40 from a cab company.
There are still companies operating similar apps such as Gett, Kabbee and MyTaxi.

Uber alternatives in London: From Gett and Kabbee to MyTaxi, apps you can use after shock TfL ban - London Evening Standard

As for Uber they have been continually warned about their employment contracts and even lost cases in the Courts, they have also been warned about not reporting sexual assaults by the police themselves, have been warned about background checks amd have been warned about the greyball software.

Even with all these warnings they still just ignored the authorities and in the end they got what they deserved.

If the Police, Transport Authorities, Courts and Parliament tell you to improve then you work with them to sort out problems and you don't just ignore them or try to cover things up through non-reporting or using software that hinders the authorities.

Uber will not get another licence until it sorts out it's numerous problems and changes the software it uses.

Ultimately the company thought it was too big to take notice of the authorities but has now been bought down to size, and I don't relish Uber's Lawyers going before the High Court, as I am sure Transport for London and it's Taxi Enforcement Department as well as the Metropolitan Police have a doissier of evidence against the company.

Compliance and enforcement - Transport for London

This is the UK police inspector's letter claiming Uber doesn't report serious crimes - Business Insider
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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Ive never quite understood why Uber was so popular, it seems to me, this service was already here, in the form of cab companies, seems like they are just re-inventing the wheel to some degree, and if a cab company wanted more business, whats stopping the drivers from just becoming Uber drivers themselves?

I just heard recently Uber started delivering things like fast food to people, but again, many cab companies have already been doing this for years, maybe people just didnt know they would, IDK?
The cab companies have monopolies. Uber comes along and charges 1/3 of what the cab companies charge.
What do cab companies do ? Lower their fares to be competitive ? NO. They go to the local government and pressure them into kicking uber out.

The above paragraph can be applied to any city (US or abroad) where uber has been kicked out.

The cab companies don't want to give up their high fares and monopoly.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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Ive never quite understood why Uber was so popular, it seems to me, this service was already here, in the form of cab companies,
I was in Philly recently and took my first Uber ride. Took all of 2 or 3 minutes from the time we called until the time they showed up on 4 separate rides. We had a group of 4 so someone that could fit 4 more people in the car comfortably was able to pick us up. You could see where he was on the map, his picture and the type of car. On top of all that it was probably 1/3 of what a normal cab ride would cost.


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I just heard recently Uber started delivering things like fast food to people, but again,
The cab companies do not have the flexibility Uber has. Something like this is expensive to do as normal service and you would have to charge people a lot. For Uber it's going to be the opposite because this is something a driver could do when they are driving in that direction anyway.

This is incredibly efficient sytem and the cab companies have missed the boat.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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UK is just another socialist country. If they can't get a piece of the pie. They ban.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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Why do I need a license to drive the people in my neighborhood around?
That's kind of like asking, why do I need a license to give people in my neighborhood a manicure? Why do I need a license to cook food for people and give it to them for money? I believe the gov't should set standards for cleanliness and safety when a business serves the public. If you're driving your homies around then that's different.

That said, I support uber as a business and hope they can tighten up their process or whatever it takes to get approved again. Given all their problems, I can believe they aren't as tight as they should be. Honestly it seems to be an issue with some of these slick tech companies... like Zenefits.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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I was in Philly recently and took my first Uber ride. Took all of 2 or 3 minutes from the time we called until the time they showed up on 4 separate rides. We had a group of 4 so someone that could fit 4 more people in the car comfortably was able to pick us up. You could see where he was on the map, his picture and the type of car. On top of all that it was probably 1/3 of what a normal cab ride would cost.


The cab companies do not have the flexibility Uber has. Something like this is expensive to do as normal service and you would have to charge people a lot. For Uber it's going to be the opposite because this is something a driver could do when they are driving in that direction anyway.

This is incredibly efficient sytem and the cab companies have missed the boat.
It's a great system. The problem is the old system. Medallions in NYC go for $840K, Chicago $250K, Boston $500K.

The medallion system cannot adapt to the new ride sharing systems. More than likely they don't want to adapt. Think of who owns the medallions..local government. They lose out.

It's an old outdated system from the 1930's that needs to go away but it's going to be a tough fight for uber/lyft because the city stands to lose.
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