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My daughter and three of her friends (all late 20s) could no longer afford policies. Several independent small business owners, sole proprietor - five or less employees, all closed shop or stopped providing services and let their few employees go, so they could get corporate jobs with benefits. Sad.
The ACA was only a boon to insurance companies. Plain and simple. That is why we are hearing different insurance providers "coming out against the repeal of the ACA" on NPR.
Not a right winger, here. Very much an independent and centrist, except for abortion on demand.
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Yea but that how much did Taxes, Deductibles, Out of pocket expenses etc. go up? What good is a plan if you can never use it? How about adjusting for inflation? How many people's choices went down? How many people lost their doctors? How much did it hinder small business growth? How much debt did we add? You're ignoring so much. When you get the government involved all it does is add a middle man to the equation that redistributes but it does so in a less efficient manner than the free market otherwise would have. Government is just a VERY expensive, very wasteful, very corrupt middle man. We need a completely free market solution, we havent had a free market healthcare system in a long time. We used to have church groups that would provide healthcare for FREE to the poor.
Imagine how much better businesses would do if they were not saddled with the responsibility of providing health insurance at all?
You know, like most of the countries we compete against globally.
I guess to coastal liberals $5,300 a year more might just be pocket change but that is a huge expense for employers and employees. Feel sorry for the small businesses.
OK. Now let's see how much higher it goes and how many people lose coverage when you allow insurers to price discriminate against pre-existing conditions (esp. sick and old people) and those who lapsed coverage.
Imagine how much better businesses would do if they were not saddled with the responsibility of providing health insurance at all?
You know, like most of the countries we compete against globally.
Gee, I wonder how we could do that?
Universal Healthcare.
Exactly. The dependence the healthcare system has on employment is a large reason my husband and I remain corporate grunts rather than launching a business of our own.
The middle class and small businesses are being crushed under the weight. Every time they expand government or institute a new government "program" these are the 2 groups that get hurt the most.
I personally know many people who have insurance that did not have it before. I know not a single person who lost their insurance because of it. The horror stories of Obamacare are to be found only by right wing posters and web sites.
I am sure there are a few that have suffered or been adversely affected, but that is a small number to the tens of millions who have benefited.
It's understood that many people have benefited from this but that has been accomplished on the backs of people that were already paying for insurance. This law has created a whole new class of people who can't afford it. The entire middle class of Pennsylvanian for example is not just a few people....
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Originally Posted by Kibby
So ...... WHY won't the Democrats produce a Bill that everyone can see to "fix" ObamaCare??
And WHY won't the Media ask them what their great "fix" is???
Shouldn't the American public get a chance to see what the Democrats actually want?
WHY is it such a secret? 10 members stuck their necks out with an outline of a plan and Pelosi refused to endorse it. No plan from any Democrat at all ...... WHY is that?
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Why won't they produce a bill? Because they have no control over bringing the bill to a vote.
You seem to believe that only the Majority in House or Senate are allowed to write a Bill -- that's just not true.
It's certainly possible that whatever Bill that the Democrats would write would never get to a Vote, but at least the public would then KNOW what it is they propose.
Has he been back to defend this abortion of a thread?
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Gee, I wonder how we could do that? 
