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Because that's exactly what conservatives seem to want by cheering the recent involvement of the President in this whole NFL kerfuffle. Look, I don't personally support what football players are doing, and I would/do stand for our anthem, but that's not the point here s together. Just because Trump is expressing an opinion you like doesn't mean it isn't dangerous precedent.
No they don't. You made this up to deflect from all the failed progressive policies.
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In case you don't understand how First Amendment works, here's a primer for you: the government shall conduct no policy that obstructs exercise of religion, free speech, or right to assembly..
Show proof of the laws and rules conservatives want passed to obstruct. Rhetorical, you can't. But bather on if it helps you sleep at night.
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That means that what happens with sports players on the NFL is to play out as a PRIVATE matter.. Sports players are free to stand out sit out the anthem, NFL is free to fire or keep them, and you the viewing public are free to support or judge / boycott the whole thing. May the strongest force win.
No ones saying otherwise but you. Funny how you only care about property rights of the private sector when it fits your agenda.
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But when you have the leader of our nation butting in, he isn't just speaking as a private citizen; he is inevitably speaking with the weight of the public office he represents. His words can and will pressure people to conform in certain ways, which ends up as de facto government policy that can ultimately control how you behave.
You made this up. Only boobus falls lock step with the President. We saw that too often with the last administration.
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So go ahead, Trumpers, and keep supporting the blurring the line between private expression and public censure; you'll end up with this, where you have to show up and "enthusiastically" participate or else you lose your job, your kids don't get higher education, or your family members even disappear in prison. Believe me, I know. I came from such a country.
You made this all up.
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Surprised (or maybe not) that you supposed freedom-loving cons aren't smart enough to put this together. Just because Trump is expressing an opinion you like doesn't mean it isn't dangerous precedent.
You made this all up. Conservatives aren't the reactionary bots here. But when the progressive policies you back are horrible failures the only thing left to do is make things up about conservatives. Who by the way didn't support trump and trumps policies aren't conservative. Not that the truth matters to you.
Wait, so you think not being overtly patriotic or having the government force it in some way is the same as advocating for mass chaos? LOL... righties... you really do live in your own special little worlds.
Funny coming from the side that calls Trump Hitler and America, North Korea.
The drama is from people that kneel in church and a few hours later get in a hissy because a player kneels on the field.
Flag is a symbol. No different than the Bible, Koran, anything else. It can be burned, raised or anything in between because the right of free speech is more important than your feels and should always be that way.
Kneeling in church is not even remotely the same as a player kneeling to make a political statement.
And as another poster poster pointed out the Bible is not a symbol.
No they don't. You made this up to deflect from all the failed progressive policies.
Show proof of the laws and rules conservatives want passed to obstruct. Rhetorical, you can't. But bather on if it helps you sleep at night.
You made this all up..
No, I did not make up Trump's tweets where he as our top government leader encouraged retaliation against people who said something he didn't like.
Just because no laws have yet been passed to obstruct free speech doesn't mean that Trump's precedent here isn't a dangerous one that erodes the traditional delineation between what a person can say and what actions the State takes in response.
If you think that's all "made up," then I declare that you know nothing about the Constitution and the safeguards that have historically protected the rights you enjoy.
If you had real love of country, you would protect the rights of your fellow citizens to say things, even when you don't agree with them, even if you want them condemned by private entities, without the government butting in.
To make matters worse the words that they recite during the pledge are beyond them, why would ANY loving parent make them recite something that they don't understand? Like Sunday school they make their kids go not fully understanding what it is they are learning. They are learning to comply not to think for themselves..
No free people are brought into subjugation without first being encourage to stop complying and think for themselves.
It is a fact that with freedom comes responsibilities.
As long as free people are happy to honor their responsibilities, no one can put chains on them.
Their devotion to their country, traditions and common history make them indivisible and unconquerable.
When the responsibilities associated with freedom are disregarded, chaos ensues and despots are able to seize control of the weakened and divided society.
Yes, kids are smarter then we give them credit for even still your asking them to pledge their lives, etc to this country. Even more asking/telling them to believe in God. That's like taking your child to Sunday school and letting them teach them about God and hell, before they are old enough to make up their own minds.
Why not let them make their own choices when they get old enough?
There's nothing bad about patriotism or the pledge.
Who says they can't make up their own minds?
Funny how people who are against the pledge are fine with indoctrination of Liberal values in education all the way through college.
Tell you what...
I'd give up the pledge if we take ALL forms of social indoctrination out of the schools and go back to the job they are actually supposed to be doing....
You remember...... reading, writing and arithmetic?
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