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Old 09-28-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Oh, YUCK! BREITBART! I should have known better than to click on one of your links. How much do you get paid for each click? Oh, never mind.

For those who don't want to sully their minds with Steve Bannon's trash, Here a link about Puerto Rico from the WASHINGTON POST.
Honestly the Washington Post is no less biased, and dubiously sourced, as Breitbart.

They each have their agenda, they each have reactionary racial articles that border on racist screeds.

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I don't click on any links here anymore unless the site is identified in the link itself or elsewhere in the post. Too many people linking to trash. At least it wasn't InfoWars.
I agree that it can be risky to click on a blind link, but if you are not reading biased media like Breitbart, Washington Post, Reason, The Independent, or the Nation, you are being left out of the debate. You have to know where the bubble dwelling idiots from all ends of the political spectrum are getting their asinine ideas from.

I will say, that no one has any good reason to read Info Wars, though :-)
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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We have ships specifically designed for disasters like this. Huge power plants, food and medical supplies, equipment, you name it, set up to send to disasters sites. They went to Haiti after the earthquake.

Where are they?

The hospital ship sat at the dock until Clinton and others put the pressure on.

In Haiti, we also had our military on the ground, delivering supplies, keeping order, managing the flights in an out. Soldiers with sat phones and clipboards were the control towers, with planes landing and taking off on three minute intervals.

Where is this?

In Katrine, we had General Honore coordinating and commanding efforts. Where is this commander coordinating efforts in Puerto Rico?

Where's his leadership in persuading Congress to fund a bill to cover initial aid efforts in Puerto Rico?

Trump has taken little public interest and from the looks of things, mighty little private interest in this disaster other than pointing out their debt and infrastructure problems.

It's been a week since the hurricane and people are still dying in hospitals over the lack of electricity.

Tell me Trump would have let this happen in Texas.
so tell us genius, how do you dock ships in seaports that are heavily damaged to where they are not operable? how do you get aircraft into airports that are so heavily damaged that they are inoperable? can you sail a ship THROUGH a major hurricane? because that is what the hope would have had to do after leaving port to head to puerto rico.

in haiti the ports were open so ship could get in. in puerto rico the roads are impassible. so no trucks are running.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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so tell us genius, how do you dock ships in seaports that are heavily damaged to where they are not operable? how do you get aircraft into airports that are so heavily damaged that they are inoperable? can you sail a ship THROUGH a major hurricane? because that is what the hope would have had to do after leaving port to head to puerto rico.

in haiti the ports were open so ship could get in. in puerto rico the roads are impassible. so no trucks are running.
Chopper supplies from ships, there are private jets flying in multiple times a day and bringing people to Florida. The air port is relatively fine.

There is a lack of desire from the government to help not a lack of capability. They are only now ramping up because of the legitimate criticism
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Who is even watching CNN any more? They are a laughingstock by putting out fake news stories all the time. The National Enquirer is more reliable. Joy Behar probably choked on her own tongue after hearing the Gov. of PR on The View.
I don't even watch my local news anymore.

No surprise about CNN due to the tide turning and capsizing on the NFL disaster.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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He was clearly more interested in helping TX and FL although PR was hit much harder than FL. So, today (some 10 days later), he finally cracked under pressure and lifted the Jones act, so the Puerto Ricans can start receiving more shipments of fuel, food and other supplies.
You got that exactly right. Temporarily lifting the Jones Act was the key to this tragic situation but Trump was looking at the Shipping Companies' bottom line instead of what disaster relief people were telling him was needed. He owns this one! And by they way, there IS a disaster down there. CCN didn't fake anything.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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This is more RIGHT Wing FAKE NEWS!
Yes, the OP has a penchant for it.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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There WAS a lack of urgency at the federal level. That's changed. That's a good thing.

Public pressure, media coverage, demands from Puerto Rican officials all worked to get things moving just a wee bit faster...and guess what -- all that matters is those people get some help. Trump can puff up his chest and take credit all he wants. As long as they have food, water, power -- it's all good.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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so tell us genius, how do you dock ships in seaports that are heavily damaged to where they are not operable? how do you get aircraft into airports that are so heavily damaged that they are inoperable? can you sail a ship THROUGH a major hurricane? because that is what the hope would have had to do after leaving port to head to puerto rico.

in haiti the ports were open so ship could get in. in puerto rico the roads are impassible. so no trucks are running.
Name calling aside, we've been over these same bogus objections numerous times on this thread.

Clearing seaports after a storm is generally a matter of towing off boats and so forth that are strewn about. A couple days' work for crews with the appropriate equipment. Helicopters can ferry people and supplies back and forth until things are cleared away.

If the docks need to be reconstructed, that would take longer. However, as cruise ships are bringing in supplies and picking up people who want to leave, that's probably not the problem here.

As to ships giong through a major hurricane, why they hell would they do that? They could swing wide out through the gulf and come in behind the hurricane.

The roads are strewn with trees and such that need to be cleared off. There are sections where the road has been washed away. Bulldozers and backhoes are a big help here. Where are they?

Now if you had said FEMA had just been two major hurricanes and just wasn't up to a third, that might make sense.

But to blame it on nonexistent problems is just silly.

A week after the storm and people are dying in hospitals because no one has figured out how to get fuel to the hospital generators or figured out how to evacuate the patients to a hospital ship.

That's just incompetence.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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There WAS a lack of urgency at the federal level. That's changed. That's a good thing.

Public pressure, media coverage, demands from Puerto Rican officials all worked to get things moving just a wee bit faster...and guess what -- all that matters is those people get some help. Trump can puff up his chest and take credit all he wants. As long as they have food, water, power -- it's all good.
Lack of urgency and lack of planning.

Surely, people knew that a Cat 4 storm moving across the island would cause damage of this magnitude.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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There WAS a lack of urgency at the federal level. That's changed. That's a good thing.

Public pressure, media coverage, demands from Puerto Rican officials all worked to get things moving just a wee bit faster...and guess what -- all that matters is those people get some help. Trump can puff up his chest and take credit all he wants. As long as they have food, water, power -- it's all good.
Public pressure got the hospital ship moving. Which is a good thing.

FEMA apparently needed the momentum.
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