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Old 09-28-2017, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Religion is probably the most important force in the oppression of women's rights worldwide.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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So the founders got it all wrong? Just the parts you disagree with? You don't believe in God?
God? Did God deliver thousands of pages of philosophy into the hands of the Founders who read it and copied the best parts?

You sound like one of those folks I referenced in the post above - thinking there was no precedent for the Constitution - came out of nowhere, right?

There were plenty of books around at the time and "democracy" had been thought about full time since ancient Greece and probably even beforehand.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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This Chuck F Todd guy is completely wrong.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IMip89jp_E
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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The founders were statists. I never signed their documents anyway.

God? Never think about it.

Rights come from existence. If not, I'm a slave to anyone who simply wishes to impose their will on me.
So what's the point?
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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God? Did God deliver thousands of pages of philosophy into the hands of the Founders who read it and copied the best parts?

You sound like one of those folks I referenced in the post above - thinking there was no precedent for the Constitution - came out of nowhere, right?

There were plenty of books around at the time and "democracy" had been thought about full time since ancient Greece and probably even beforehand.
I think you missed my point.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So what's the point?
I was asking where rights come from.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Religion is probably the most important force in the oppression of women's rights worldwide.
Involuntary States oppress people.

Religion is one rallying cry used to influence statist doctrines/edicts that oppress women and everyone else.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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It would be nice if the people who want to live in a theocracy would go off and form their own country instead of trying to destroy ours.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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Rights are natural. You have one general universal right:

The right to do as you wish as long as you uphold the non-aggression principle and by extension respect private property rights.

Governments only restrict/deny rights. They don't grant them.

Semantics. Tell the government you wish to snort cocaine, own a fully auto machine gun without a permit, to discriminate against gay people because one of your religious books tells you that God wishes this, and to drive whatever speed you want wherever you want. Let us know how that works out for you.
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Semantics. Tell the government you wish to snort cocaine, own a fully auto machine gun without a permit, to discriminate against gay people because one of your religious books tells you that God wishes this, and to drive whatever speed you want wherever you want. Let us know how that works out for you.
What are you talking about?

Of course the State goes around and cages/kills people for victimless activities as well as non-consensual edicts they enforce.

It's the basis of its power.

I'm talking about the principles behind rights. The State is the opposite of anything remotely principled.
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