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I support single payer but it doesn't work in big mass melting pot countries with a large welfare class... It works better in small homogenous nations with strict immigration controls like Norway, Switzerland, etc.
Can't support giving 10-20% of the population free health care and housing for life for whatever reason they have. Plus its not fair... Why should I have to work so less responsible people can live for free? I'm a selfish bleep. Survival of the fittest. Bring in 5 million refugees and give em all on demand ER service? Allow illegal Mexicans to use our ERs to give birth.... Until we have free energy and robots to do all our work no thanks.
Excellent post.
A small, very well-off country with high employment to population ratio and a much healthier population can have universal healthcare without an issue.
What works very well in Norway and Switzerland will not work in the United States.
If they had Medicare for all the health-care percentage of GDP would likely be the same at best. With the health of the majority of Americans and the rampant unhealthy lifestyles that has gotten worse each and
every year for decades it would still consume a much higher percentage of GDP.
I recently took a trip and stayed in a shared house arrangment. A guy who was 30 years old and traveling from Romania talked about how while his area was not well-off in the mountains of Northern Romania the food is all natural as everyone has a farm and gardens where he lives. I doubt they go out to eat 3 times a day, multiple soda and a couple of milkshakes from coffeehouses there either.
Another guy from Germany said Americans just eat a bunch of chemicals with a smile.
Same thing here in the United States. Universal single-payer health-care system like that is being proposed in California could work in North Dakota, Montana or Wyoming but could never work in a state like California.
*Probably need a supplement policy which would reverse this. BUT I cannot lose health insurance. Since I already lost my retirement to health costs, it sounds good for me.
I guess under the Medicare for all plan the total FICA tax would from 15% to 26%.
The employees share would go to 11.65% and the employers share would go to 14.65%.
The additional taxes would raise 700 billion dollars per year.
I'd support the proposal on principle, but i don't think that it should be funded so heavily by wage taxes.
We already rely too heavily on wages to fund social systems, other types of revenue streams would be good. In this case maybe split the burden across sales taxes on sugar/corn syrup, gasoline, cigarettes, alcohol. If we're going to be paying for people's healthcare we oughta tax the things that are killing us.
I'd support the proposal on principle, but i don't think that it should be funded so heavily by wage taxes.
We already rely too heavily on wages to fund social systems, other types of revenue streams would be good. In this case maybe split the burden across sales taxes on sugar/corn syrup, gasoline, cigarettes, alcohol. If we're going to be paying for people's healthcare we oughta tax the things that are killing us.
People in Europe pay pretty high taxes to have health insurance.
And there's additional taxes as well depending on the country.
This is the way it's funded in other countries...high payroll taxes.
We need to make it a mandate that all business owners and wealthy corporations provide they're employees with medical/ dental insurance .
And allow them the write off and a tax credit of some kind.
I've been in the work force for 30+ years and my employees have always provided medical and dental. I guess you have to be someone with a job to realize that. It's was also considered an expense which reduced the bottom line. So this was already happening before Obamacare.
Do people not understand how things work. So vette ?????? The only thing Obamacare did was cause a massive rise in premiums and deductibles, force us into terrible insurance policies that didn't meet our needs and give government more control over the people.
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I've been in the work force for 30+ years and my employees have always provided medical and dental. I guess you have to be someone with a job to realize that. It's was also considered an expense which reduced the bottom line. So this was already happening before Obamacare.
So vette ??????
No, a lot of workers don't get employer provided insurance. I didn't get employer provided insurance until I became a truck driver. When I worked in construction, and as a courier, no benefits.
My construction jobs would have had benefits if I had made it to 90 days, but I got started in construction in 2008 (a bad time to start in the industry), so I got laid off every time a project finished
No, a lot of workers don't get employer provided insurance. I didn't get employer provided insurance until I became a truck driver. When I worked in construction, and as a courier, no benefits.
My construction jobs would have had benefits if I had made it to 90 days, but I got started in construction in 2008 (a bad time to start in the industry), so I got laid off every time a project finished
so you chose poorly when looking for a job......prior to 2009 74% of employers offered good insurance,,, since Obamacare...its down to 49%
I've been in the work force for 30+ years and my employees have always provided medical and dental. I guess you have to be someone with a job to realize that. It's was also considered an expense which reduced the bottom line. So this was already happening before Obamacare.
Do people not understand how things work. So vette ?????? The only thing Obamacare did was cause a massive rise in premiums and deductibles, force us into terrible insurance policies that didn't meet our needs and give government more control over the people.
cant rep you...but
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