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Old 10-11-2017, 05:34 AM
 
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A door alarm on the floor? Thats what is weird unless it was from a empty room being opened.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I don't find the 10 suitcase thing extraordinary at all. In my last job I attended numerous trade shows. If the host hotel wasn't open when I arrived I had to take tons of stuff to my hotel room until the room opened to vendors. I carried large displays, boxes of product and samples, brochures, projector, screen etc. up to my room, no one ever questioned it, why would they?
exactly and the delay is not especially egregious as far as the hotel's negligence until we know exactly what happened in that subsequent period before the shooter opened fire below. Who's to say that 911 wasn't called immediately? tho I would have expected that the security guard's first action would be to call 911 himself. I imagine 200 rounds coming through a door at you as you investigated a door alarm would have led to some type of invasive maneuver and it may have taken a few minutes to even gather your senses to decide what to do next. Not likely in the Casino Guard training manual.

sounds like the first 9-1-1 call was made at 10:08 pm, presumably 9 minutes after the door was shot up, i'm guessing that call was not made by the security guard...

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Old 10-11-2017, 06:47 AM
 
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Yeah 10 suitcases is not extraordinary at all...if you are an older white male with a known reputation as a high roller that doesn't fit any preconceived notions.

A lone middle eastern looking guy with 10 suitcases? Yeah I think it would have raised suspicions.

Good that did in this case huh?
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Guard was responding to an alarm for an open door on the floor. The door was not the shooter's door. Many hotels have similar alarms. The wounded guard had no contact with LE until LE breached a screwed down stairwell door on 32. By that time, the shooting had ceased.

i thought the brother held it together reasonably well, all things considered. There were and maybe still are hundreds of media surrounding his home waiting to record some juicy detail. Can't imagine what it must be like for the families of mass shooters.
I don't recall Adam Lanza's father or brother making a fool of themselves like Eric Paddock has. Or the families of any other shooters for that matter. Paddock could have said "no comment" or made a short statement through a lawyer, the more he talks the more they want from him and now he is a meme all over the internet. As he said he's Wealthy, so he doesn't have to schlepp around with the tabloid bottom feeders, he wants to.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Honestly even carrying guns in cases wouldn't normally give anyone suspicion in Vegas. So much for that now.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/hote...-massacre.html

But late Tuesday, the company that owns the Mandalay Bay hotel casino questioned the new timeline.
"We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline," said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. "We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate."

Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said on Tuesday that the guard had been responding to a door alarm on the hotel's 32nd floor when he heard an odd drilling sound.
Paddock had power tools and was trying to drill a hole in a wall, perhaps to mount another of the security cameras he set up around him, or to point a rifle through, but he never completed the work, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said. He also drilled holes and bolted a metal bar to try to prevent the opening of an emergency exit door near his room.

As the guard notified maintenance and security of the stairwell issue, several single shots were fired into the hallway before he shot again, unloading more than 200 rounds at the guard and a maintenance man, McMahill said. Campos, the security guard, was struck in the leg and injured, police said.

The six minutes that transpired between the hallway shooting and the start of the gunman's fusillade wouldn't have been enough time for officers to stop the attack, said Ron Hosko, a former FBI assistant director who has worked on SWAT teams. Rather than rush in without a game plan, police would have been formulating the best response to the barricaded gunman, he said.
"Maybe that's enough time to get the first patrolman onto the floor but the first patrolman is not going to go knock on that customer's door and say 'What's going on with 200 holes in the door?'" Hosko said.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The security guard's gofundme is at 35 grand of 40 grand goal.

As I said the lawyers are chomping at the bit now with these latest revelations about the timeline. Now the angle seems to be that the security guard actually caused the mass shooting because, due to him running into Paddock, this caused him to panic and start shooting up the crowd.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jesus-cam...223728950.html
You don't have to be an Alex Jones follower to have problems with this incident.

There's always a line between inconsistencies and "the lizard people did it" but most reasonable people are going to chalk this one up to being a very poorly mishandled investigation with too many competing interests to know exactly what happened.

That is abundantly clear already.

Not that it means much to all the victims and their families. The damage is done.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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I don't recall Adam Lanza's father or brother making a fool of themselves like Eric Paddock has. Or the families of any other shooters for that matter. Paddock could have said "no comment" or made a short statement through a lawyer, the more he talks the more they want from him and now he is a meme all over the internet. As he said he's Wealthy, so he doesn't have to schlepp around with the tabloid bottom feeders, he wants to.
He's a nut also just like his brother, just maybe not a psychopath. Wouldn't trust him for a second.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Campos was shot during that time, while Paddock unloaded 200 rounds in the guard's direction.

"The news is not that he was shot," Napolitano said.

Napolitano said that, at that point, Mandalay Bay "knew of the existence and presence of automatic[-type] weapons six minutes before he started killing people."

Campos likely had a radio, and the casino is rife with security cameras in the hallways and on the gaming floor, Napolitano said.

He added that the casino and its parent company, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, should be prepared to be the "principal target" for lawsuits regarding failure to stop or inhibit Paddock's actions.

Judge Nap Lists New Questions Mandalay Bay Must Answer About Mass Shooting | Fox News Insider
MGM Resorts issued a statement " what is currently being expressed ( revised timeline) MAY not be accurate". MGM declined to elaborate. Sounds like lawyer talk to cast reasonable doubt.

The unarmed security guard was dispatched to check out an alarm with an exit door. Was this the door to the stairwell that was found to be screwed closed by the shooter?

There was also a hotel maintenance worker on the floor when the shooter put 200 rounds through his door into the hallway. The tape of his call alerting hotel security to call the Police is now public. It is unknown when or if the hotel communicated the interior shooting to the Police.

Reportedly, the hotel does not have hallway surveilience cameras. Security cameras focus only on elevator banks.

The swat team reached the 32nd floor and breached the stairwell door at 10:17. They were unaware of a prior interior shooting on the floor.

There is an unconfirmed report the shooter used a freight elevator to transport stuff to his room.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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MGM Resorts issued a statement " what is currently being expressed ( revised timeline) MAY not be accurate". MGM declined to elaborate. Sounds like lawyer talk to cast reasonable doubt.

The unarmed security guard was dispatched to check out an alarm with an exit door. Was this the door to the stairwell that was found to be screwed closed by the shooter?

There was also a hotel maintenance worker on the floor when the shooter put 200 rounds through his door into the hallway. The tape of his call alerting hotel security to call the Police is now public. It is unknown when or if the hotel communicated the interior shooting to the Police.

Reportedly, the hotel does not have hallway surveilience cameras. Security cameras focus only on elevator banks.

The swat team reached the 32nd floor and breached the stairwell door at 10:17. They were unaware of a prior interior shooting on the floor.

There is an unconfirmed report the shooter used a freight elevator to transport stuff to his room.
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