Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay (salesman, interview, premium)

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by Timmyy

Unless the leaker was somebody that wasn't in the room when the photos were taken. It could be anybody working on the investigation that had access to the images. I am willing to bet the leaker didn't use email or the interwebs to leak the photos. A simple copy to an unauthorized flash drive and a hand off to the media would work just fine.

The pictures were leaked to a UK tabloid with a history of paying for juicy pictures and stories. Pictures of dead bodies command a premium.

This is the same publication that previously reported Melania was a high priced escort prior to her hook up with Trump.

While it's remotely possible the leak was sanctioned by the investigate team, what was the objective? Why a UK tabloid as opposed to MSM? Why only a few pictures of a tiny portion of the 2 room suite when every inch of the suite has been photographed/ filmed? Why not pictures of the actual weapons used and the holes in the windows and the remnants of the ammunition?

[Sorel36]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

I think Gracie was referring to the security guard, Jesus Campos.

Conspiracy theory blogs claim he has gone missing too.

Is the LA times a conspiracy blog ?

Jesus Campos, Vegas security guard shot before rampage, appears to have vanished - LA Times

[Timmyy]

Originally Posted by Sorel36

Is the LA times a conspiracy blog ?

Jesus Campos, Vegas security guard shot before rampage, appears to have vanished - LA Times

No it isn't. I am sure he will turn up soon. I bet the attention he is getting now is just too much for him handle.

[Timmyy]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

The pictures were leaked to a UK tabloid with a history of paying for juicy pictures and stories. Pictures of dead bodies command a premium.

This is the same publication that previously reported Melania was a high priced escort prior to her hook up with Trump.

While it's remotely possible the leak was sanctioned by the investigate team, what was the objective? Why a UK tabloid as opposed to MSM? Why only a few pictures of a tiny portion of the 2 room suite when every inch of the suite has been photographed/ filmed? Why not pictures of the actual weapons used and the holes in the windows and the remnants of the ammunition?

So are you suggesting the leaked photos maybe fake? It wouldn't surprise me.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

I think Gracie was referring to the security guard, Jesus Campos.

The guy you are referring to is an alleged valet car parker at Mandalay. Conspiracy theory blogs claimed he had gone missing , which apparently is not true.

The security guard, Jesus Campos, cancelled one or more media interviews at the last minute. Conspiracy theory blogs claim he has gone missing too. There are endless theories why he cancelled. My own is that some media made him a better offer for an exclusive or a publisher bought the rights to his story.

His family declines to speak with so called investigative reporters/ Internet personalities that have shown at his door. The silence led the vultures to conclude government put a gag order on him because his story does not mesh with the revised timeline or the government vanished him.

Sensational click bait is good for business.

You're correct, I screwed up, different guy. And I agree, Campos might have made a better, exclusive deal for his story or he just might be afraid to talk..who knows.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...egas-shooting/

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

You are posting about the wrong person.
The security guard is Jesus Campos.

You are correct, my apologies

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by Timmyy

To think I was actually buying into you knowing a lot about guns and stuff. You really sounded knowledgeable but then you post this.

If it's in reference to the calibers and their capacity here ya go

If it's about the calibers I had mentioned.
Shooters room to victims on the ground ranges 400 to 500 yards.
55gr 223 at 400 yards 1500/1600ft per second carrying with it 315-295ftlbs of energy.
55gr 223 at 500 yards 1300/1400ft per second carrying with it 220-200ftlbs of energy.

308 projectile weighs vary from 145gr to 220gr
Common weight of projectile ranges 147-155gr
Go with 150gr to keep it simple.
150gr at 400 yards traveling at 1900/2050ft per second carrying with it 1200-1300ftlbs of energy.
150gr at 500 yards traveling at 1800/1900ft per second carrying with it 1000-1100ftlbs of energy.

It's basic physics. Go to a macro scale. What will go through a 2 foot thick concrete wall?
A smart car doing 50mph (55gr 223)
A half ton pickup doing 70mph (150gr 308)

223 drops close to pistol velocity at those ranges, and the lighter grain projectile loses energy to where, yes it is lethal, but entering a body, it's not exiting.

308 on the other hand, can.

The variables to velocity are
1. Barrel length
2. Projectile weight in grains
3. Air density temperature+humidity and barometric pressure
4. Cartridge charge in grains and burn rate of powder
5. Barrel twist rate. If the twist rate is too fast or too slow the projectile will destabilize and instead of fly like a football tossed by a quarter back, it will tumble like a football that has been kicked, which is known as "key hole"

The variables to energy
1. Velocity
2. Projectile weight
3. Projectile density and construction. (Hollow points are designed to expand and dump most of its energy upon impact)
Density being the projectile jacket copper typically unless you buy that Ukraine or Russian bi-metallic crap, or copper washed TMJ Plus the projectiles core density. Lead and antimony mixture. There's soft and hard cast projectiles. Which is why you don't run soft cast bullets in a Glock due to its rifling. You will get heavy lead deposits in the barrel increasing pressure and potentially have it explode in your hand.

For example you could have a 55gr 223 projectile that has a soft core or dense core Copper FMJ or Bi-metallic FMJ.
Some indoor ranges do not allow bi metallic jacketed rounds as they will damage the backstop or have a potential to ricochet or cause a spark. Have a spark with unburnt gun powder you may have a bad day...

That tula/wolf bargain steel case bi-metallic stuff, the jackets deform but tend to stay together, shoot into a sand bag at 50 to 100 yards, the jacket deforms but tends to stay together some of the core may eject out of the base, and the base of the projectile will look like you squeezed it with a pair of pliers.
Copper jacket, the jacket tends to shed/fragment peel off especially if it has a cannelure, and the core will either fragment or remain together depending on density.
Softer core=fragment "Harder" core=less fragment stay together.
TMJ copper plated projectile target rounds usually deform and fragment with or without cannelure.

Density of the human body varies bone, tissue, muscle. It will deform the projectile as well as slow it down and stop it. Ballistic gel density was developed to mimic the density of a body to test a projectiles ballistics. Expansion (hollow point), deformation, fragmentation (jacket and core), and penetration depth.

An FBI standard and calibrated block of ballistics gel at 400 and 500 yards shot by 223 and 308 will reveal the 223 will more than likely penetrate and stop. 308 may pass through. It carries more velocity and carries more energy.

It's physics Timmyy...

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by Sorel36

Is the LA times a conspiracy blog ?

Jesus Campos, Vegas security guard shot before rampage, appears to have vanished - LA Times

I am unable to open the link due to a paywall.

There is no doubt he vanished shortly before the scheduled interview and has not been seen in the public since then.

According to this LE has said he is not a missing person. According to the Union President, Campos' security guard texted him from a medical clinic. It goes into some level og detail as to why Campos has a security guard.

FACT CHECK: Is the Mandalay Bay Security Guard 'Missing'?

Campos is 24 years old. I am more than twice his age. No way would I put myself in a position of being interviewed by anyone on TV, under similar or any circumstances. There's nothing wrong with agreeing to give a media exclusive rights, if that's what he did.

If there is a cover up of what really happened, why would LE/ FBI simply not go with the storyline that a one or more radicalized Muslims did it, as the ISIS media claimed. Can't be too difficult to snap a pictire of someone that seems to fit the public's physical perception of a terrorist and call it a day.

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

If there is a cover up of what really happened, why would LE/ FBI simply not go with the storyline that a one or more radicalized Muslims did it, as the ISIS media claimed. Can't be too difficult to snap a pictire of someone that seems to fit the public's physical perception of a terrorist and call it a day.

perhaps if it were ISIS, it would make the FBI look incompetent for not preventing the event from occurring, or hide it to not scare the public that there may be other (s) out there that escaped? I don't know... it's enough to make you go cross-eyed trying to figure out motive and lack of detail.

(That's why I remain open minded and suspicious about the event and the mix up of details)

The FBI did nab ISIS members in NYC plotting to use bombs and guns to target large crowds of people especially concerts... the planning occurred during 2016...

Officials said the three men communicated via Internet messaging applications and planned to commit bombings and mass-shootings during 2016’s Ramadan in New York City. They allegedly intended to detonate bombs in Times Square and in the city’s subway system, while also shooting civilians at specific concert venues.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icials-n808321

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

If it's in reference to the calibers and their capacity here ya go

If it's about the calibers I had mentioned.
Shooters room to victims on the ground ranges 400 to 500 yards.
55gr 223 at 400 yards 1500/1600ft per second carrying with it 315-295ftlbs of energy.
55gr 223 at 500 yards 1300/1400ft per second carrying with it 220-200ftlbs of energy.

308 projectile weighs vary from 145gr to 220gr
Common weight of projectile ranges 147-155gr
Go with 150gr to keep it simple.
150gr at 400 yards traveling at 1900/2050ft per second carrying with it 1200-1300ftlbs of energy.
150gr at 500 yards traveling at 1800/1900ft per second carrying with it 1000-1100ftlbs of energy.

It's basic physics. Go to a macro scale. What will go through a 2 foot thick concrete wall?
A smart car doing 50mph (55gr 223)
A half ton pickup doing 70mph (150gr 308)

223 drops close to pistol velocity at those ranges, and the lighter grain projectile loses energy to where, yes it is lethal, but entering a body, it's not exiting.

308 on the other hand, can.

The variables to velocity are
1. Barrel length
2. Projectile weight in grains
3. Air density temperature+humidity and barometric pressure
4. Cartridge charge in grains and burn rate of powder
5. Barrel twist rate. If the twist rate is too fast or too slow the projectile will destabilize and instead of fly like a football tossed by a quarter back, it will tumble like a football that has been kicked, which is known as "key hole"

The variables to energy
1. Velocity
2. Projectile weight
3. Projectile density and construction. (Hollow points are designed to expand and dump most of its energy upon impact)
Density being the projectile jacket copper typically unless you buy that Ukraine or Russian bi-metallic crap, or copper washed TMJ Plus the projectiles core density. Lead and antimony mixture. There's soft and hard cast projectiles. Which is why you don't run soft cast bullets in a Glock due to its rifling. You will get heavy lead deposits in the barrel increasing pressure and potentially have it explode in your hand.

For example you could have a 55gr 223 projectile that has a soft core or dense core Copper FMJ or Bi-metallic FMJ.
Some indoor ranges do not allow bi metallic jacketed rounds as they will damage the backstop or have a potential to ricochet or cause a spark. Have a spark with unburnt gun powder you may have a bad day...

That tula/wolf bargain steel case bi-metallic stuff, the jackets deform but tend to stay together, shoot into a sand bag at 50 to 100 yards, the jacket deforms but tends to stay together some of the core may eject out of the base, and the base of the projectile will look like you squeezed it with a pair of pliers.
Copper jacket, the jacket tends to shed/fragment peel off especially if it has a cannelure, and the core will either fragment or remain together depending on density.
Softer core=fragment "Harder" core=less fragment stay together.
TMJ copper plated projectile target rounds usually deform and fragment with or without cannelure.

Density of the human body varies bone, tissue, muscle. It will deform the projectile as well as slow it down and stop it. Ballistic gel density was developed to mimic the density of a body to test a projectiles ballistics. Expansion (hollow point), deformation, fragmentation (jacket and core), and penetration depth.

An FBI standard and calibrated block of ballistics gel at 400 and 500 yards shot by 223 and 308 will reveal the 223 will more than likely penetrate and stop. 308 may pass through. It carries more velocity and carries more energy.

It's physics Timmyy...

In case it is not obvious, I don't know anything about ammunition or for that matter physics.
( likely stuck in a home economics class making pot holders or something)

Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a story from PEOPLE with a profiler's take on this shooter:

Las Vegas Shooting: Expert on Stephen Paddock's Motive

According to the profiler, .223 Remington rounds were used. The profiler suspects " many of the wounded were hit with a round that wounded or killed others".

Assuming this was the case, would it not create a potential perception of some, in the midst of chaos, that the source of gunfire was coming from within the crowd?