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What proof is there of any conspiracy? There isn't a JFK question of pasties and strange circumstances around this incident at all from what I know.
How about people that claim were shot in the head, but were perfectly fine. Even the people with shots to the lungs and neck were talking and smiling a couple of days later [I would imagine that a person with that type of wound would have a hard time breathing, let alone giving interviews with a smile on their face].
How about the military veterans questioning the sound and number of shooters.
Two days before there was a drill in las vegas depicting the exact situation.
And how about the lack of motive, no political/mental/racial/nothing zero motive.
Let's ignore all that and believe the authorities would never lie.
Not believing in conspiracies is naive. Our whole lives revolve around them. When you do a search in your computer, that info goes to a database to be analyzed. Smartphones are listening all they time to personalize ads so companies can make more money and who know to what other purposes. Did that not start as a conspiracy? States spy and fund organizations and "rebel" not only openly, but also in secrete to carry out their agenda. Not a conspiracy? Bayer knowing sold hiv infected products to asia and latin america after being withdrawn from the US. How about the opioid epidemic? Pharmaceutical companies pushing doctors to prescribe more of their medicines for the sake of profits, even though they know that "medicine" is dangerous and highly addictive.
Was WMD not a conspiracy? Didn't the cia plot many sabotages against cuba? How about selling weapons to mexican cartels, and when they were caught came up with they story that it was an "cover operation" but somehow lost track of the bad guys. I could go on, but it's a waste of time. Lies will continue to flow for people to believe.
I, for one, am not going to go on and on arguing with those who choose to believe there's nothing to see here. Either you see it or you don't.
I don't because there is none to see. An event happened, people died and some guy was found dead who did it. Many mass shootings had the same MO. Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, all mass murder-suicide.
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How about people that claim were shot in the head, but were perfectly fine. Even the people with shots to the lungs and neck were talking and smiling a couple of days later [I would imagine that a person with that type of wound would have a hard time breathing, let alone giving interviews with a smile on their face].
How about the military veterans questioning the sound and number of shooters.
Two days before there was a drill in las vegas depicting the exact situation.
And how about the lack of motive, no political/mental/racial/nothing zero motive.
Let's break these down
A shot to the head SHOULD be injurying, if not fatal but aren't always. The below is an article that can also shoot down the "smiling victims" too.
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Can you survive a gunshot wound to the head?
Most people learn about gunshot wounds from watching television or going to the movies. From "Gunsmoke" to "The Sopranos," and action packed films, guns and violence are often integral parts of the story line. Being shot on the screen can result in instant death, drawn out death scenes, or heroes who brush off the injury and save the day. In real life, the same alternatives exist, depending upon what type of firearm and bullets were used, and where the bullet(s) entered and/or exited the body. It's all a matter of physics and how much damage the energy the bullet causes.
When a bullet hits the body, all the energy it has is transferred to the body tissue causing damage. The heavier the bullet and the faster it moves the more damage it can potentially cause. The laws of physics state that energy is directly related to the weight of the bullet, meaning that if the weight doubles, the energy doubles. But energy increases by the square of the velocity. Doubling the speed increases the energy fourfold. The purpose of a gun is to make a bullet go faster.
What kind of damage do different types of bullets cause?
The type of bullet can also make a difference. If it is narrow and maintains its shape when it hits the body, it may be able to pass right through tissue without causing much secondary damage. However, if it's built to explode on contact, more tissue injury may occur. The way the bullet hits and enters the body is also important and has to do with the yaw, or side to side movement of the bullet as it enters the body. An analogy is a football thrown in a tight spiral, there is less resistance as it passes through the air than if it is moving side to side or wobbling. The more the wobble, the greater the potential to transfer energy to the body and cause damage.
The combination of velocity and bullet dynamics, and the location in the body where the bullet enters will determine how much damage occurs. Gunshot wounds can be classified as low or high velocity, depending upon the type of firearm used. The cutoff is a speed of 2,000 feet per second. As a general rule, most handguns are low velocity, and hunting and military guns are high velocity.
How does a bullet damage flesh and organs?
Damage to the body from a bullet is caused in a two ways.
The first type of injury is caused by the direct blow or crush of the bullet. Whatever gets in its way is damaged, and this bullet track causes a permanent cavity. If the bullet yaws, the energy transfer increases and the cavity becomes larger.
The second injury type is caused by the shock waves of the bullet. The tissue surrounding the bullet track becomes caught up in a temporary vacuum that can be as much as 40 times as large as the bullet itself. This tissue cavity gets stretched and deformed and then reforms itself numerous times, like ripples in the water, until the tissue cavity returns to normal position. With this type of injury, the higher the velocity of the bullet, the larger the cavity of tissue that is at risk for damage.
Some people survive gunshot wounds that on the surface appear to be fatal, yet others die from gunshot wounds that appear relatively minor. Just like real estate, it's all about location, location, location. When a bullet enters the body, its trajectory (where it goes) helps determine the severity of injury. Some bullets can pass through the body with relative little damage, while others enter the body and then ping pong around inside damaging whatever tissue or organs are in its way. If the bullet damages a major artery or the heart, death may occur almost instantaneously; however, some people are lucky and survive a gunshot wound if nothing critical is damaged.
This means it is possible. Now the numbers might be higher than you'd expect, sure. But, i would say it isn't a direct cause for a conspiracy theory.
As for numbers, until we have a clear timetable an account, we continue to see conflicting reports. This is true in most shootings whether mass or single, crimes or terrorist activity. Sandy Hook saw that. I believe that theater goers thought that there was multiple Aurora shooters during The Dark Knight Rises too.
The fact a drill occurred what two days before is in all likelihood a coincidence. I work at a school, you mean to tell me that a fire will happen just because of a fire drill? Or that at a sports venue I will need to be evacuated because they go over emergency evacuation protocal before the game? This logic don't stick.
A lack of motive don't mean anything. Motive or a lack there of don't mean a crime did or didn't commit, the crime itself did.
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Let's ignore all that and believe the authorities would never lie.
This is a false equivalency. I never said the authority has always told the truth. The fact is though, the idea Vegas was a conspiracy theory i mind boggling to say the least. Why would a government kill dozens of people with direct intent like that?
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Not believing in conspiracies is naive.
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Our whole lives revolve around them. When you do a search in your computer, that info goes to a database to be analyzed. Smartphones are listening all they time to personalize ads so companies can make more money and who know to what other purposes. Did that not start as a conspiracy? States spy and fund organizations and "rebel" not only openly, but also in secrete to carry out their agenda. Not a conspiracy? Bayer knowing sold hiv infected products to asia and latin america after being withdrawn from the US. How about the opioid epidemic? Pharmaceutical companies pushing doctors to prescribe more of their medicines for the sake of profits, even though they know that "medicine" is dangerous and highly addictive.
I think you need to take a few deep breaths, then take a long walk. You are thinking too much. The data is collected when you buy at grocery stores. Think, coupons aren't a way of data collection? That's what companies are doing with say Movie Pass. Mainly because Movie Pass is now owned by a data collection company. Countries sponsoring and spying on rebels is not a conspiracy at all, it's common knowledge in case something happens like Vegas. Drug companies are an interesting one because it is hard to know if Tylenol laced pills with cyanide (the police still don't) or if oxycotin or other prescribed opioid pain relievers would indeed cause an epidemic of addictive. The drug manufacteuers are just doing what they did with say Rogaine or Viagra.
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Was WMD not a conspiracy? Didn't the cia plot many sabotages against cuba? How about selling weapons to mexican cartels, and when they were caught came up with they story that it was an "cover operation" but somehow lost track of the bad guys. I could go on, but it's a waste of time. Lies will continue to flow for people to believe.
Some did happen and admitted but we don't know the exact of how and why they failed. A lot of this is above our pay grade. It is foolish to know how or why Bay of Piegs and Fast & Furious went the way they did when we weren't even in the war rooms at the intelligence briefings.
It is impossible to honestly discuss something when people either knowingly or by pure ignorance misrepresent what the other has said.
Your long quote doesn't say anything about what I was referring. A gun shot, specially a high caliber, if it doesn't kill you it will leave you fighting for your life, not talking and smiling.
I work at a school, you mean to tell me that a fire will happen just because of a fire drill?
A fire can occur as a consequence of an accident, arson, or by nature itself. If the fire was caused by arson, then yes, a fire drill can provide good information for the criminal.
A lack of motive don't mean anything. Motive or a lack there of don't mean a crime did or didn't commit, the crime itself did.
Nobody is arguing no crime happened. My point was that the motive is the most important part of a crime. If no apparent motive is present, then it is reasonable to think that there is something missing or even worst that something is being covered up.
Originally Posted by otterhere Quite simply because it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...and doesn't add up.
You might be surprised to learn that not everyone who believes THIS was a conspiracy believes EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. In fact, many who are raising suspicions about this event are NOT "conspiracy theorists" and don't believe ANYTHING else was a conspiracy. They are, instead, free thinkers who actually use their brains and smell a rat here.
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free thinkers, hardly.. Free thinkers would realized how impossible it would be to carry off a conspiracy involving an incident of this magnitude. Do you realize that every single person you involve has to be either killed afterward or somehow convinced to never talk about their role in the plot for the rest of their lives. That would involve convincing dozens of ordinary citizens that concocting a huge elaborate event that would culminate with the death of dozens of innocent people would somehow benefit them in order to get them to participate, how would you go about doing that?
Cops are delighted when they are tasked with solving a crime that involves two or more people because usually it's just a matter of time before one of the participants talks about it. They might get drunk in a bar and start babbling or confide in their spouse or significant other but they invariably tell someone at some point, and then it's just a matter of time until that person repeats it or calls the Police.
People who believe in conspiracies usually do so because they can't accept a situation that they can't explain or understand so they build a story that makes them more comfortable with what seemed to be an illogical event. It's human nature, we all have a hard time reconciling events like this when it involves an act so abhorrent to us.
An act so abhorrent that the government preceding Donald J. Trump involved itself with to create drills.
The people who went through those shootings gathered up the same dust that made them aim schools.
As in what exact school of thoughts would harness such an unjustified amount of rage at those families.
Sure those with money can pay up another way when they signal how much they want for war ransoms.
How much more blood will be assured next time they take those weapons and mass shoot police officers.
The date was October 1917 and that was a hundred years ago when they took captive those Romanovs.
The wicked have never had enough blood that since man cannot keep pace with those enemies' tactics.
It is impossible to honestly discuss something when people either knowingly or by pure ignorance misrepresent what the other has said.
Your long quote doesn't say anything about what I was referring. A gun shot, specially a high caliber, if it doesn't kill you it will leave you fighting for your life, not talking and smiling.
I work at a school, you mean to tell me that a fire will happen just because of a fire drill?
A fire can occur as a consequence of an accident, arson, or by nature itself. If the fire was caused by arson, then yes, a fire drill can provide good information for the criminal.
A lack of motive don't mean anything. Motive or a lack there of don't mean a crime did or didn't commit, the crime itself did.
Nobody is arguing no crime happened. My point was that the motive is the most important part of a crime. If no apparent motive is present, then it is reasonable to think that there is something missing or even worst that something is being covered up.
Time is over. Those who committed this most abhorrent crime will want to see their hands up.
'Put the gun down' a police officer would say but he better not for it is a man that was a cop.
A gun shot, specially a high caliber, if it doesn't kill you it will leave you fighting for your life, not talking and smiling.
Leaving aside that nobody ever called 5.56 mm "high caliber", it's very random. You can die from a rose petal in your windpipe, or you can stand in just the right place when a MOAB goes off.
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Nobody is arguing no crime happened. My point was that the motive is the most important part of a crime. If no apparent motive is present, then it is reasonable to think that there is something missing or even worst that something is being covered up.
Ok - so do you have an idea of a motive, beyond "weirdo gun collector snaps"? What is being covered up? What is the motive for covering up whatever it is that is being covered up?
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Or that at a sports venue I will need to be evacuated because they go over emergency evacuation protocal before the game?
This logic don't stick. 
Countries sponsoring and spying on rebels is not a conspiracy at all, it's common knowledge in case something happens like Vegas. Drug companies are an interesting one because it is hard to know if Tylenol laced pills with cyanide (the police still don't) or if oxycotin or other prescribed opioid pain relievers would indeed cause an epidemic of addictive. The drug manufacteuers are just doing what they did with say Rogaine or Viagra.
