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You are required to register to vote. Many states are requiring various kinds of ID in order to vote, they are restricting the times people can vote, long line-ups etc.---- these states are making it more difficult to vote. Felons are not allowed to vote. You are not allowed to vote multiple times, or in multiple states. You can go online and see if someone is a registered republican or independent or democratic. So there are regulations and control of voting.
So why not require gun owners to register their guns? Why not a limit on owning multiple guns? Why not make it more difficult to acquire multiple guns and a huge arsenal instead of easy? If gun owners had to line up to register their guns the same way we have to line up for hours to vote maybe since they are probably lazy out-of-shape old males they wouldn't want to spend all that time in lines. Why can't I go online and see if my neighbor owns 42 guns, if I can go online and see their party affiliation?
While your point on having to register to vote is a good one (touche!)......the rest of it is a pretty far jump when it comes to a right.
By the way, "Felons are not allowed to vote" is a true statement.....because that right has been removed by due process of law.
Once again, in due process of law, to remove someone's rights, take them to court.
But, if there's no law, how do you punish those caught trying to do harm?
Regulating motor vehicles doesn't stop accidents either, but doesn't it make sense they're registered so there's at least a chance of finding someone like a hit & run driver?
I know registration sounds like an easy fix ("why didn't we think of that already??" but....... )
suggest looking up how many gun crimes have been solved through gun registration.
HINT - it's really, really close to ZIP and ZERO. (ref John Lott)
(I know we all know.....) Weapons used in crimes are frequently stolen and/or disposed of, making gun registration near useless in solving crime.
"Ban the sale of gas operated weapons. Ban the importation and manufacture in the United States of new gas operated weapons except those for military or police use, and ban the sale or resale of currently existing gas operated weapons."
If you wonder what that means, this excellent article by a former military officer explains it:
"Ban the sale of gas operated weapons. Ban the importation and manufacture in the United States of new gas operated weapons except those for military or police use, and ban the sale or resale of currently existing gas operated weapons."
If you wonder what that means, this excellent article by a former military officer explains it:
Ban gas operated weapons my my you're desperate.
Challenge. Develop non gas operated action.
Easily overcome. Such weapons exist. That's fine though. Gas operated weapons disappear a new form takes its place. And the next one to take its place, and the next one to take its place. So on and so forth. All you will do is test the ingenuity and skill of someone to design something they want. Remember banaholics, firearms are simple machines. Machines that can be crafted in your garage.
Someone bent on owning one will build one. What are you going to ban? Knowledge?
Ban scrap metal?
Give it a rest.
You aren't going to ban anything.
If anything and on the snowballs chance in hell a ban is implemented...
Manufacturers and hobbyists and criminals alike will design and construct them in their heads, then on paper, then in their garages or basements.
I know registration sounds like an easy fix ("why didn't we think of that already??" but....... )
suggest looking up how many gun crimes have been solved through gun registration.
HINT - it's really, really close to ZIP and ZERO. (ref John Lott)
(I know we all know.....) Weapons used in crimes are frequently stolen and/or disposed of, making gun registration near useless in solving crime.
1934 machine guns were restricted to registration, local, and federal background checks how many homicides have been committed by the owners of these weapons very few maybe a 6-10 people. Some have been stolen but most mass shootings are not by someone who has stolen them but someone who has purchased them though legal means.
IF you are concerned about deaths, you SHOULD be concerned about ALL deaths and ESPECIALLY those that things that cause the MOST deaths.
But, as usual your are NOT concerned about what causes the MOST deaths.
You are ONLY concerned about gun deaths which is far LESS then other things.
Rubbish, all death concerns me but that is pretty irrelevant in a debate about the exceptionally high numbers of people shot to death, yes there are other ways to kill but the easy access to firearms in the US has meant that not only are the numbers of people shot to death exceptionally high but the murder rate itself in the US is exceptionally high.
Rubbish, all death concerns me but that is pretty irrelevant in a debate about the exceptionally high numbers of people shot to death, yes there are other ways to kill but the easy access to firearms in the US has meant that not only are the numbers of people shot to death exceptionally high but the murder rate itself in the US is exceptionally high.
Don't you guys have bombings at concerts
And truck or ya'll call them "lorry" attacks as well?
It's too late for that. There are way too many guns in this country already. Stricter gun laws won't change anything. Criminals will be criminals. For better or worse, America loves its' guns. They aren't going anywhere.
Agreed/ America is a nation full of guns and all too frequently some berserker goes off the deep end and starts killing people,its the price the nation pays for easy access and ownership of guns,nothing will change.
They're not looking for guns, they're looking for shampoo in containers larger than 3.4oz and nail clippers.
The thing is, we're on the same side here - you're not a *bit* safer today on a plane than you were on sept 10th. Even with the anal probing, the email snooping, the "watch lists", it's all bull & everyone knows it.
Taking away the ability to buy guns doesn't do anything about the three-hundred-million guns already on the street. It doesn't take away the ability to make more in the comfort of your home.
And even if you *got* your wish & everyone turned them all in, and not a single new gun was made, there would *always* be an exception in the law for rich people. And this particular shooter was rich. Rich people can buy a "tax stamp" and get a "machine gun" with a "silencer" any time they want to. Just cut a check. A full-auto m16 is about $20k. I can't afford one, but the wealthy can. So are we all "equal" under the law, or are some people more equal than others? Regular new-Yorkers can't get a gun permit, but Donald trump has had one for decades.
Think back to the Florida night club shooter - he was a security guard, whose job it was to disarm *you*. He had a gun, and the right to take yours away.
Think back to Christopher Dorner. A cop. A "more equal" person, under the law. Every gun law you can think of has a carve out for cops. So taking away my gun leaves guys like him armed & even more dangerous..
The bottom line is, I'm not going to voluntarily make myself into a less-equal person to satisfy someone who doesn't live in my neighborhood, doesn't have to work where I work, and frankly doesn't *know* what I know. I worked in a juvenile corrections facility for a while. 90% of those juveniles weren't a bit scary. Some of them really were people you don't want to meet in a dark alley. And they all get bounced on your streets at 18. Evil does exist, and making yourself helpless doesn't make it go away.
I agree.
I’m just tired of all the media coverage and all the people acting surprised and hurt.
No, you just don't like the fact that the actual data directly contradicts hoplophobes' desire to ban/control guns. The FACT is that as gun ownership has increased, the number of gun homicides has decreased significantly.
Increasing gun ownership has actually been significantly beneficial to society:
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