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Old 10-09-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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Requesting that is fine. Mandating it is a different animal. How do you go about enforcing it was my question. At what point, how often, tracking, enforcement, etc.
Easy.

"Documentation of applicant's mental health is required to accompany this form."

What point? At the point of purchase.

Tracking? How are these forms tracked now?

Enforcement? How are these laws enforced now?
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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And just who pays for the mental health exam?
The purchaser of the gun.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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How is this done? Any doctor? Gov approved, appointed? Written note, taken to some gov organization? Gov run mental check facility?
When is it done
At point of purchase? Once? Every time? Preemptively? Yearly, Government licensing?
Do you really think its that difficult to get a basic mental health exam?

Mental health professionals can be on a registry in all 50 states and the government can set the fee so its fair and affordable. It would be a certified document just like those used for men and women when they sign up for the armed forces and need health documentation to be allowed in.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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I don't believe that is actually true. At the time of the Constitution the regulation of firearms was common and was not expected to be changed by the Constitution. The intent was militias capable of overthrowing an oppressive government. Not a guarantee that any individual had a right to any arm they desired.
Sorry but you are totally wrong.

There was no regulation of firearms prior to the adoption of the constitution. In fact the British with their attempt to restrict the flow of gun power into the colonies prior to 1776 is cited as one of the things that sparked the revolution. State constitutions prior to adoption of the 2nd amendment either specifically gave the right to bear arms or said nothing against it.


The first federal regulation of firearms did not happen in the USA until 1934. Britain did not have any gun control laws of any kind until 1903.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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Isn't your whining and bitching all about you? Around 100M American gun owners spent the last seven days not shooting anyone. Why are we judged by the actions of one?

Isn't it your irrational fear of guns the reason you keep returning here and reiterating the same arguments?

The issue is quite clear to me, gun owners don't see a benefit to limiting the access to guns, because we know about them and how they work and there's no fear of the unknown. People screaming for gun control who are not gun owners are not material experts, they fear what is portrayed on TV and Movies, but more concerning perhaps they fear how they would control a gun. Then there are gun owners who are apologist, they want to concede a small token so that they get to retain their ownership and screw everyone else.

People die all the time, it's not preventable, even accidents are not preventable, even were they shouldn't we tackle the highest cost first? That's not gun homicides, murder has existed since we lived in furs in the Great Rift Valley, it's not preventable, we don't even know if the outcome would be different if Paddock had no guns, sure there may be less people shot, but there may have been more killed, McVey killed 168 people without firing a shot.

Selfishness isn't living how you wish to live, it's expecting others to live as you wish to live.

So who's the selfish ones?
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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Do you really think its that difficult to get a basic mental health exam?

Mental health professionals can be on a registry in all 50 states and the government can set the fee so its fair and affordable. It would be a certified document just like those used for men and women when they sign up for the armed forces and need health documentation to be allowed in.
Do you think the Las Vegas shooter would have failed a mental health exam? Everything I have heard is people who came in contact with him thought he was a normal average guy. No criminal history, a stable successful life.

Sometimes things just happen. You can't create a regulation to account for every possible scenario.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:34 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Do you think the Las Vegas shooter would have failed a mental health exam? Everything I have heard is people who came in contact with him thought he was a normal average guy. No criminal history, a stable successful life.

Sometimes things just happen. You can't create a regulation to account for every possible scenario.
We have actually heard surprisingly little about his past. I wonder if people are nervous to state that they missed something, either negligently or otherwise.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Do you really think its that difficult to get a basic mental health exam?

Mental health professionals can be on a registry in all 50 states and the government can set the fee so its fair and affordable. It would be a certified document just like those used for men and women when they sign up for the armed forces and need health documentation to be allowed in.
Why should I have to pay exorbitant fees, and trust the judgement of a stranger to tell me I can exercise my natural right to self defense with a firearm?
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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We have actually heard surprisingly little about his past. I wonder if people are nervous to state that they missed something, either negligently or otherwise.
I am talking about neighbors that encountered him or casino workers. He was well known in the casinos and did nothing out of the ordinary. He did have jobs in the past but perhaps the feds have been talking to these people.

All I have heard is that he was quiet. Did not say much.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:39 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I am talking about neighbors that encountered him or casino workers. He was well known in the casinos and did nothing out of the ordinary. He did have jobs in the past but perhaps the feds have been talking to these people and the have been told not to speak out at this point.
Quite likely true. As a lawyer I'd silence my clients in like situations. But not everyone "lawyers up."
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