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Old 10-07-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Oh really...why don't you tell that to my aunt in toronto thats been on a waiting list to see a specialist regarding her cancer!!!
I too would like a lot more detail. My experience of cancer and our system is that there are no wait. I have gone through it several times with my mother...brain tumour, kidney cancer and breast cancer. Yes she is still alive and kicking and NEVER waited for any treatments. Follow up care has been amazing and is scheduled for future scans and check ups.

A friend got throat cancer. Boom! In care immediately. He has now been cancer free for four years. Again excellent care.
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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I too would like a lot more detail. My experience of cancer and our system is that there are no wait. I have gone through it several times with my mother...brain tumour, kidney cancer and breast cancer. Yes she is still alive and kicking and NEVER waited for any treatments. Follow up care has been amazing and is scheduled for future scans and check ups.

A friend got throat cancer. Boom! In care immediately. He has now been cancer free for four years. Again excellent care.
There is information on this one also:

Cancer Patient's Wait to First Surgical Appointment Ontario - Health Quality Ontario

Cancer Patient's Wait Time from Decision to Surgery Ontario - Health Quality Ontario
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Doesn't look horrific at all. Seems pretty darn good.

It is just Ontario of course, but my experience here in BC has been stellar as well.
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, the quality of health care is a lot better in Canada.....

Neither Canada nor Japan cracked the top 10, and the United States finished a dismal 35th, according to a much anticipated ranking of healthcare quality in 195 countries, released Friday.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-...ealthcare.html
and exactly how do they rank those countries....on a few VAGUE things

life expectancy= life style and genetics...... health care has very little impact

infant mortality= every country is different on how the measure that. to include still births....and on top of that the USA has a high teen pregnancy rating, which leads to a higher infant mortality ....... more about education than health care

oh and the best one...does the country have a UHC of sometype....if they don't, worse ranking.



so using those variables(filters), of course the USA ranks 35th
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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There is a drug called Mesalamine, also known as Mesalazine, used in the treatment of Crohns and ulcerative colitis, as well as other things. I investigated it as a possibility for my husband's condition. He is currently seeing a US doctor who said it might be worth a try but that it was costly.

I made a few phone calls and discovered that 30 x 1g capsules would cost a whopping $1,089 in US pharmacies. Completely unaffordable but I thought it might be worth checking to see how much it was in Canada, because we are Canadian and live in Canada.

I am not making this up - same product made by the same manufacturer. The cost here for the same doseage, is USD $60. Yes, sixty dollars.

$60 in Canada versus $1,089 in the US. Someone is getting very rich. Why are Americans being gouged in this way, though?

Obama via Obamacare absolutely guaranteed the profits of the pharmaceutical industry which lobbied the Democrats heavily.

It's not any more complicated than that.
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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Doesn't look horrific at all. Seems pretty darn good.

It is just Ontario of course, but my experience here in BC has been stellar as well.
Well since the poster used Toronto as his aunt's location I went into their database. Et-Voila.

I'm certainly aware there can be exceptions in every situation but those stats are as up to date as there would be anywhere. I'm sure every province has the same kind of Provincially provided information.

It's a shame really when you consider the amount of utter obfuscation of facts they've had to absorb from outfits like the Fraser Institute. How that propagandist think tank maintains it's charitable tax exempt status is beyond me. They are virtually owned by people like the Koch's obsessed with the desire to reduce any kind of challenge to free market avarice.

Considering how they and others are able to turn every congressman into millionaires in one single term should be all they need to know about the system they think is superior. It couldn't be more poignantly illustrated than the American heath care system of today being a direct result.
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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and exactly how do they rank those countries....on a few VAGUE things

life expectancy= life style and genetics...... health care has very little impact

infant mortality= every country is different on how the measure that. to include still births....and on top of that the USA has a high teen pregnancy rating, which leads to a higher infant mortality ....... more about education than health care

oh and the best one...does the country have a UHC of sometype....if they don't, worse ranking.



so using those variables(filters), of course the USA ranks 35th
What would you rather they use; stats on how many doctors are driving Mercedez, how many Americans have a boat in the driveway?

Those stats used by the WHO among a host of others used, are directly related to the state of a nation's citizenries health.

Go ahead and design your own parameters and pick the ones you like....see how well you do but be careful you don't get hoist by your own petard.

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Old 10-07-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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That is so on point it is prophetic. As long as our politicians can keep parroting the "yeah but we're still better than you know who" and getting a pass things will gradually be allowed to slip until we're in the basement with them.

When I think of the possibilities and outcomes if the whole dang continent were using one system that guaranteed everyone a basic but reasonably comprehensive list of coverages including dental and pharma with the bargaining power that would bring to the table. Adding in the tuition costs and ultimate base salaries of doctors being unified, along with their training requirements, it boggles the mind as to how much we could achieve and become the best there is on the entire planet.

Utopia
The Canadian system only works by free-riding on the American system to bear the cost of pharmaceutical development and testing (which is funded by excess profits in the American market). Costs are only so low elsewhere in part because they are high here and vice-versa. At least with respect to drug coverage (which is a very large part of total cost in America, and would also be elsewhere (but less here) if not for the free-riding).

Legalize drug importation. Make costs fair by passing laws to take away patents from companies that charge Americans prices more inflated than the ratio of American GDP per capita to other countries GDP per capita. Watch as our costs go through the floor and everywhere else spikes practically overnight.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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1) Canada pays higher taxes and health care is subsidized

2) US is corrupt to the gills in terms of medication and health care costs.
I am not so sure about that. Mexico also has very low costs for the same prescriptions and its not because of some elaborate government health care system.

I had always heard that Americans were charged more to recoup the costs of creating a new drug. We are being riffed off by big pharma.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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AS the health care providers and Pharma are operating very effective monopolies we need a system such as government payment that will function as a monosophony (one purchaser) to have a strong enough purchasing power to effectively negotiate prices.
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