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Old 10-19-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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Its not outside the realm of possibility that it would have been stopped if Clinton or Gore had been President. I base this on the fact that the incoming Bush administration dismissed the warnings coming from the Clinton administration appointees. If the old team was still in place and they received the additional information that did come out prior to 9/11 they may have taken a more aggressive stance which might have exposed the plot.
I recall reading about intelligence reports given to Bush that warned of an imminent attack and included information about students in flight school with dubious visa situations that seemed uninterested in learning to land.

At the very least, Bush could have ordered that these dubious visa guys should be rounded up ASAP and questioned..

Instead, he ignored these reports.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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I've always thought it was curious the way the Saudi nationals were spirited out the country without any opportunity for the FBI to investigate.

The reason given was that there was fear of a backlash. However, they could have easily been in protective custody during FBI questioning.

Some of the Saudi nationals were Bin Laden family members.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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I recall reading about intelligence reports given to Bush that warned of an imminent attack and included information about students in flight school with dubious visa situations that seemed uninterested in learning to land.

At the very least, Bush could have ordered that these dubious visa guys should be rounded up ASAP and questioned..

Instead, he ignored these reports.
That order could have came under Clinton also. (that is the time the warnings were made)
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This whole mess in Niger sounds and feels like one big Cluster***K and the fat man and his generals need to start supplying some information and answers to questions that are swirling around this botched mission.

How does a simple reconnaissance mission turn into an ambush and bloody slaughter of our overmatched and outgunned soldiers?

How does a soldier get left behind on the battlefield to rot for 48 hours?

Why after over two weeks do we not have a peep out of the WH on any of the details?

Why is Senator McCain now stating that he feels a coverup and a slow walking of information?


This is disgraceful and let's see if Trump/repubs go as hard on this spectacle as they did on Benghazi!
Agreed.
I read yesterday that the Pentagon had just this week decided to send investigators to Niger to try to determine what happened.

WTH took so long?
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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That order could have came under Clinton also. (that is the time the warnings were made)
Not sure how Clinton would have known, as the warnings about the flight school came after Bush had been in office for several months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-was...light-schools/

You may be confusing this with the RW contention that Clinton should have killed Osama bin Laden while he was POTUS.

However, Bush had six months and he didn't do it either.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Last I checked, it's October 2017 and the fat man is now Commander in Chief not BO!

This is on his watch and if he wants to take credit for the stock market, than he needs to own up and fess up to Niger, as he can't have it both ways - got it now!
Exactly.

45 has made it his life's work to undo everything that his predecessor put in place, so why not this?
He could have ordered them out on Day 1 and any time after.

This is totally on him.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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Not sure how Clinton would have known, as the warnings about the flight school came after Bush had been in office for several months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-was...light-schools/

You may be confusing this with the RW contention that Clinton should have killed Osama bin Laden while he was POTUS.

However, Bush had six months and he didn't do it either.
I am not confused.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/05/1...-training.html
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Too narrow a topic, let's discuss America's long-term failed foreign policy of attempting to play world police and remake other countries to suit our vision, something both sides of the aisle share responsibility for.
Our Founders described what they were creating this way: "A shining city on a hill." We were to be an example to the World. Our Statue of Liberty is holding out the Lamp of Liberty to the World. Again, an example to the World.

The message of Christ (other than the primary message of salvation by grace, through faith) was that Christians should be a "lamp" to the World. We were to go out into all the earth to spread the gospel. "No one lights a lamp and then hides it where it's light cannot be seen, but he places it on a stand where it fills the whole room."

But you say we should mind our own business, and ignore the evil we see in the World, and "hide the light" so that no one else can see it? Keep it to ourselves? Interesting.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I've always thought it was curious the way the Saudi nationals were spirited out the country without any opportunity for the FBI to investigate.

The reason given was that there was fear of a backlash. However, they could have easily been in protective custody during FBI questioning.

Some of the Saudi nationals were Bin Laden family members.

I find it curious given their history of funding radical, western-hate-teaching madrassas as well as being the home of one of the most radical forms of Islam, that Saudi Arabia manages to maintain such 'good buddy' status with the US.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Our Founders described what they were creating this way: "A shining city on a hill." We were to be an example to the World. Our Statue of Liberty is holding out the Lamp of Liberty to the World. Again, an example to the World.

The message of Christ (other than the primary message of salvation by grace, through faith) was that Christians should be a "lamp" to the World. We were to go out into all the earth to spread the gospel. "No one lights a lamp and then hides it where it's light cannot be seen, but he places it on a stand where it fills the whole room."

But you say we should mind our own business
, and ignore the evil we see in the World, and "hide the light" so that no one else can see it? Keep it to ourselves? Interesting.

I say the Constitution does not task us with policing the world and that scripture should play no role in establishing US foreign policy. I say those Americans who believe they are responsible for spreading 'the light' should feel free to spend their own time, $$$, and blood doing so, just don't confuse that with any Constitutional responsibility, there is none.
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