There's something very fishy about the mass shootings over the past 10 years (regular, suspect)

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

I don't know if this was a conspiracy theory or not. However, I think there are "contingency plans" for events like what happened in Vegas. For example, many people do not believe that Wayne Williams killed all those Children in Atlanta. Some people think that the Klan was involved and were attempting to foment a race war. Fomenting a race war or some other type of division to tear this nation apart is the goal of many racist and foreign adversaries. Russia was already busted fomenting division on the internet and has been predicting the break up of the US for some time now.

What I believe is that in order to prevent a very divisive and hence retaliatory event from metastasizing, I think that agencies within the government, that are likely clandestine, will have replacement killers. Think Lee Harvey Oswald. People that can be blamed for an event thereby preventing the desired division. Just think, hypothetically, if the killer in Vegas had been black? Can you imagine what that would have done to already strained race relations?

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[dman72]

Originally Posted by Haakon

His room did fill with gun smoke, enough to set off the fire alarm.

A 223 will have more than enough energy to be lethal at over 1,000 yards.

He also apparently had AR10 or M14 variants as he was using .308 which would certainly be lethal from 400 yards, and I'm thinking .223 at 400 hitting someone in the head (which is what happened to many people) is lethal.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by ambient

I think the prevailing conspiracy theory is that they are liberals trying to incite gun control legislation.

Apparently the killer himself was a conspiracy spewing nut like a whole lot of people on this forum..the hookers he frequented said he believed 9/11 was an inside job.

Conspiracy nuts: look into yourself, step away from the internet, and go get some counseling before your paranoia sends you over the deep end as well.

[switchtoecig]

Ok, there are some scattered bits and pieces about the guy's personality but you already jumped into his ideology and are speculating about his political or ideological cause. His own brother emphatically said he didn't have any.

Now, since you already provide your theories, let me offer you mine:

The guy is a high functioning psychopath who got bored out of his mind. Such psychos have high IQ - see how he amassed money with relative ease and was even winning big against "the house". Few can do it. Also, he should be able to hide his real nature by pretending to have human emotions which he learned to do at young age, by mimicking reactions of those around him.

A few more facts to corroborate this:
- father was a criminal and was considered psychopatic and suicidal by experts
- Paddock himself kept his family at a distance, although he seems to have been on good terms with them

(Now, the above alone would mean nothing but combined with other things paint a different picture. Occasional phone calls to family and that was it, probably to prevent them from busting his cover and to do his thing undisturbed. I wouldn't be surprised if they find more crimes from his past that were unsolved because he was skillful in covering his tracks.)

Psychopaths have only a few rudimentary emotions, which are actually more impulses, like boredom, lust, contempt and rage. They are able to hide or control them. However, it probably costs them. So in the end they unleash their wrath.

On Amazon there is a book of a woman named Ann Rule who knew Ted Bundy - they were working together

Rule describes her dawning awareness that Ted Bundy, her sensitive coworker on a crisis hotline, was one of the most prolific serial killers in America.

This has eerie similarities with the account of Paddock's female coworker in real estate biz. She describes him as easygoing, amicable, helpful and highly competent. Who wouldn't want to work with that person.

Anyway, if they don't find any other crimes committed by him now they are scrutinizing his life, my theory is probably wrong. But if they do, I'm spot on. It's difficult to believe that this guy has lived to be over 60 and that this is the first truly evil thing he's done.


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[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by don1945

I flipped through the internet today, and, of course, the conspiracy theorists are abuzz with "more than one shooter" theories. "Listen at 4:41, you can hear more than one machine gun !" While, what they are really hearing is the echo of the shots he fired bouncing back off of other tall buildings in the area.

Some people need to stop being amateur criminologists and leave it to the people who actually know what they are doing.

Here are the couple things that made me think there was more than one shooter. First the claim was he was not a gun enthusiast, then we find he used bump stocks. Well as far as the bump stop thing, I've only seen videos of someone fumbling around with it trying to get a consistent mag dump, not even carrying if he is on target or not. They just seemed like a "as seen on TV" type of gimmick that was more of a fail then anything. Sure there was the occasional video of someone that got the thing to work flawlessly but those people tended to be firearms enthusiasts. I just found it hard to believe someone with no practice could have pulled off what he did.
Now I'm sure we don't have all the details of the investigation so speculation is all on how one interprets what they saw and heard on the videos, and the details that have been released.


Now I understand Vegas has some of the most advanced security systems in the country. Especially in a casino. I'm assuming the fact that we haven't seen video after video of him in the casino is because of the ongoing investigation. Now, if months, years, etc go buy without one single security video coming out, well that seems a bit sketchy. Time will tell.

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by KonaldDuth

I heard today that .223 rounds shot from an AR-15 at 400 yds would lose 75% of their terminal velocity and not be lethal. Anyone else heard this? Seems a lot of gun experts have been poking major wholes in the idea that a guy could rapid fire thousands of .223 rounds from a hotel room and kill people 400 yds away and not have his hotel room fill with smoke from the gunpowder. Also there are no shells on the floor in the photo taken of him dead at the scene.

Not very tough to get these answers for yourself, there, Donald.


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[dman72]

Originally Posted by switchtoecig

Ok, there are some scattered bits and pieces about the guy's personality but you already jumped into his ideology and are speculating about his political or ideological cause. His own brother emphatically said he didn't have any.

Now, since you already provide your theories, let me offer you mine:

The guy is a high functioning psychopath who got bored out of his mind. Such psychos have high IQ - see how he amassed money with relative ease and was even winning big against "the house". Few can do it. Also, he should be able to hide his real nature by pretending to have human emotions which he learned to do at young age, by mimicking reactions of those around him.

A few more facts to corroborate this:
- father was a criminal and was considered psychopatic and suicidal by experts
- Paddock himself kept his family at a distance, although he seems to have been on good terms with them

(Now, the above alone would mean nothing but combined with other things paint a different picture. Occasional phone calls to family and that was it, probably to prevent them from busting his cover and to do his thing undisturbed. I wouldn't be surprised if they find more crimes from his past that were unsolved because he was skillful in covering his tracks.)

Psychopaths have only a few rudimentary emotions, which are actually more impulses, like boredom, lust, contempt and rage. They are able to hide or control them. However, it probably costs them. So in the end they unleash their wrath.

On Amazon there is a book of a woman named Ann Rule who knew Ted Bundy - they were working together





This has eerie similarities with the account of Paddock's female coworker in real estate biz. She describes him as easygoing, amicable, helpful and highly competent. Who wouldn't want to work with that person.

Anyway, if they don't find any other crimes committed by him now they are scrutinizing his life, my theory is probably wrong. But if they do, I'm spot on. It's difficult to believe that this guy has lived to be over 60 and that this is the first truly evil thing he's done.


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I agree 100% that Paddock was a high functioning psychopath...I find it difficult to believe he wasn't responsible for some sort of murder in the past but maybe this is just years of pent up sickness manifesting itself. I think ideology had nothing to do with it.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by scarabchuck

Here are the couple things that made me think there was more than one shooter. First the claim was he was not a gun enthusiast, then we find he used bump stocks. Well as far as the bump stop thing, I've only seen videos of someone fumbling around with it trying to get a consistent mag dump, not even carrying if he is on target or not. They just seemed like a "as seen on TV" type of gimmick that was more of a fail then anything. Sure there was the occasional video of someone that got the thing to work flawlessly but those people tended to be firearms enthusiasts. I just found it hard to believe someone with no practice could have pulled off what he did.
Now I'm sure we don't have all the details of the investigation so speculation is all on how one interprets what they saw and heard on the videos, and the details that have been released.


Now I understand Vegas has some of the most advanced security systems in the country. Especially in a casino. I'm assuming the fact that we haven't seen video after video of him in the casino is because of the ongoing investigation. Now, if months, years, etc go buy without one single security video coming out, well that seems a bit sketchy. Time will tell.

That's why he used a tripod and platform. It's not like he had to target a specific person. he was firing into a mass of thousands of people all bunched together over about a 100 yard area.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by dman72

That's why he used a tripod and platform. It's not like he had to target a specific person. he was firing into a mass of thousands of people all bunched together over about a 100 yard area.

I have zero experience with a bump stock, but as far as how it works it seems like the weight of the firearm on a tri pod would hinder the spring action of the bump stock from working correctly. Remember, one is essentially holding the trigger in place and the recoil of the gun is basically operating the trigger, hinder that movement and it won't work.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by scarabchuck

I have zero experience with a bump stock, but as far as how it works it seems like the weight of the firearm on a tri pod would hinder the spring action of the bump stock from working correctly. Remember, one is essentially holding the trigger in place and the recoil of the gun is basically operating the trigger, hinder that movement and it won't work.

Again, he didn't have to be very accurate, and if you watch the full length videos, his rounds of firing were all different lengths so obviously the system wasn't perfect..it caused jams and bullets were flying all over the place but he had gun after gun lined up and ready to go loaded. That time between rounds probably wasn't reloading, it was attaching the next gun to the bipod/tripod stand.