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Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.
Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.
If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?
I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. If someone posts something, wouldn't we all respect the poster has at least done some research? I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.
So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?
(Yes, I know politicians lie. I hate it when Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush's lies just as much.)
For example, these are all completely false - this is NOT a gun control debate. I am just using these as examples:
1. "In February, he also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally."
2. "In June of last year, the NRA fought to make sure people on the no-fly list can buy guns. They aren’t allowed to get on a plane; they’re allowed to own a very dangerous gun. Who thinks that makes sense?! Them, I guess, the people who voted with the NRA."
3. "Maybe I’m nuts, but I would like to think we could put politics aside and agree that no American citizen needs an M-16 or 10 of them. And maybe that way, we don’t do this again. And that seems very reasonable to me."
4. "Right now, there are loopholes in the law that let people avoid background checks if they buy a gun privately from another party, if they buy a gun online or at a gun show."
Could you please provide some examples? I can certainly cite Jimmy Kimmel's speech and give you a blow by blow on every verifiable lie he told.
You characterized a Jimmy Kimmel comment as a lie, when it was just an opinion. Jimmy's opinion is that American citizens don't need M-16's. That is problematic.
When your starting point is that everything the person you disagree with says is a lie, rather than accepting that others have differing opinions, then you won't be able to have a discourse.
I have numerous conservative friends. We have some serious political discussions, and we have political discussions that are just poking fun at one another. I'm not a liar. I know they aren't liars. Our discussions often evolve into conversations about credible sources. Arguments often end with concessions that what we all have in common is that we want the best for our country. We may disagree on what that is, but knowing that we each do want what's best allows us to find common ground a lot of the time.
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For example, these are all completely false - this is NOT a gun control debate. I am just using these as examples:
1. "In February, he also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally."
2. "In June of last year, the NRA fought to make sure people on the no-fly list can buy guns. They aren’t allowed to get on a plane; they’re allowed to own a very dangerous gun. Who thinks that makes sense?! Them, I guess, the people who voted with the NRA."
3. "Maybe I’m nuts, but I would like to think we could put politics aside and agree that no American citizen needs an M-16 or 10 of them. And maybe that way, we don’t do this again. And that seems very reasonable to me."
4. "Right now, there are loopholes in the law that let people avoid background checks if they buy a gun privately from another party, if they buy a gun online or at a gun show."
Read Jimmy Kimmel's Monologue on the Las Vegas Shooting | Time.com
In response to #1.
The SSA rulemaking was issued in the waning weeks of Obama’s presidency and targeted those receiving disability insurance or Supplementary Security Income based on SSA’s listed mental disorders and who were appointed a “representative payee” to help them manage their benefits. The agency –for the first time in its history– sought to portray these individuals as “mental defectives” who were prohibited from acquiring or possessing firearms under federal law. It had planned to notify them of their prohibited status and to report them to NICS.
I took that from an NRA site so you can't call it fake news (unless you want). Someone whose mental health is so bad that they cannot hold a job doesn't need to have tax payers buy them a gun and ammunition. Even if you don't agree Kimmel did not lie.
Here is the statement from the NRA on the no fly thing:
Fairfax, Va.— The executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox, released the following statement regarding terror watchlists:
We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.
So it appears #2 is not a lie either. Of course no one wants a terrorist to be able to buy guns but just because you're on the NoFly list shouldn't disqualify you.
#3 is an opinion unless you are stating that people cannot legally buy m-16s now. I don't know the different kinds of guns so I don't know if you can or can't.
#4 I already responded to that it is an accurate statement by Kimmel.
Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.
If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?
This does not seem like an honest and rational way to begin such discussion. If you want to engage someone you do not disagree with, try to open the discussion without accusations, especially false ones.
Liberals always talk about wanting to have discussion and "national dialog" about issues, but what they really mean is a monologue from them to us.
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