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Old 10-05-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.

Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.

If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?

I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. If someone posts something, wouldn't we all respect the poster has at least done some research? I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.

So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?

(Yes, I know politicians lie. I hate it when Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush's lies just as much.)

For example, these are all completely false - this is NOT a gun control debate. I am just using these as examples:

1. "In February, he also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally."

2. "In June of last year, the NRA fought to make sure people on the no-fly list can buy guns. They aren’t allowed to get on a plane; they’re allowed to own a very dangerous gun. Who thinks that makes sense?! Them, I guess, the people who voted with the NRA."

3. "Maybe I’m nuts, but I would like to think we could put politics aside and agree that no American citizen needs an M-16 or 10 of them. And maybe that way, we don’t do this again. And that seems very reasonable to me."

4. "Right now, there are loopholes in the law that let people avoid background checks if they buy a gun privately from another party, if they buy a gun online or at a gun show."

Read Jimmy Kimmel's Monologue on the Las Vegas Shooting | Time.com

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Old 10-05-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.

Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.

If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?

I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.

So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?
I'll go with "another explanation": people like yourself have become so radicalized that's it's extremely difficult to have a thoughtful, rational discussion with them if you hold an opposing viewpoint.

Need proof? Read your post. It perfectly illustrates my point.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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Trying to understand the liberals .


I believe that to be a "mission impossible."
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.

Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.

If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?

I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.

So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?

(Yes, I know politicians lie. I hate it when Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush's lies just as much.)
Promising thread title.

And then you say


"They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels."


and then:


"I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars".



So actually you have no intention at all of "understanding liberals".


If your actual intention is to 'have an honest and rational discussion', chop out half your post and start again.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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I'll go with "another explanation": people like yourself have become so radicalized that's it's extremely difficult to have a thoughtful, rational discussion with them if you hold an opposing viewpoint.

Need proof? Read your post. It perfectly illustrates my point.
Would you mind providing your explanation please? I think it helps the discussion.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.

Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.

If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?

I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.

So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?

(Yes, I know politicians lie. I hate it when Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush's lies just as much.)
There are a lot of generalizations in your comment.

Can you be more specific?

What are the lies specifically? How have they been 'debunked'?

Fine--disagree, but if you don't present a cogent rational reason for disagreeing and specify what it is you disagree with, you can't really call them liars.

Kimmel is not ignorant--that is quite obvious by listening to him discuss issues and interview people. And, again, if you are calling someone a pathological liar, you would have to be specific.

Trump is called out on specific lies and refuted with real facts (no matter what they are called).
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Jimmy Kimmel has been famous lately about health care and guns, but listening to him is like reading posts from many liberals here on CD. They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels.

Of course, if anybody disagrees with them, the person must be the worst human garbage ever existed.

If we can't have an honest and rational discussion, what's the point of talking to each other?

I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars. If someone posts something, wouldn't we all respect the poster has at least done some research? I'd think Jimmy Kimmel has a team of people doing research for him. He can't be ignorant, can he? Is he a pathological liar then? I would be so embarrassed that I'd quit if I were him.

So what is it? Ignorance, deliberately lying or another explanation?

(Yes, I know politicians lie. I hate it when Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush's lies just as much.)
Here's the thing: we have no interest in trying to have a discussion or play nice with insane people. That's all you need to know.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Promising thread title.

And then you say


"They repeat the same debunked crap over and over again as if they were spreading gospels."


and then:


"I am often not so sure they are just ignorant or they are just pathological liars".



So actually you have no intention at all of "understanding liberals".


If your actual intention is to 'have an honest and rational discussion', chop out half your post and start again.
Could you please provide some examples? I can certainly cite Jimmy Kimmel's speech and give you a blow by blow on every verifiable lie he told.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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The only way to try to understand the liberals is for you conservatives to look in the mirror first and try to understand yourselves.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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Could you please provide some examples? I can certainly cite Jimmy Kimmel's speech and give you a blow by blow on every verifiable lie he told.
Please, go ahead.
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