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Old 10-07-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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You and me both.

I still have a vivid image of the woman kneeling on the floor who died of a botched kitchen table abortion.

Year after year, arguing over whether women should have access to birth control, be able to make her own medical decisions, ... is crazy.

Every baby deserves to be a wanted baby, a baby who has parents who are able to provide the love and care the baby needs. Every woman should be able to decide whether she is ready to be a mother now.

Government has plenty to do without pushing its nose into this.
Well people wanted obamacare. They wanted government to step in and provide insurance.

If you didn't have ACA the government couldn't do anything about your insurance and what is covered.
Government now has control of it. And they will never let it go. They get to make the rules now and you have to play by them.

And access to birth control has not been denied to anyone. A working woman has to pay for it with her own money.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Most of the loudly vociferous religious folks have confused the Christian God with the God of Greed.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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Most of the loudly vociferous religious folks have confused the Christian God with the God of Greed.
I think if that were the case Hobby Lobby would be open on Sundays.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:36 PM
 
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To the person who posted that people are free to decline the company insurance and get their own policy.

Sounds like quite the plan.

Women working at Walmart can decline their insurance and go get it on the open market. No problem. (Want to bet whether Walmart suddenly gets religion and stops offering birth control coverage to their few employees who actually get insurance?)

Anyway, those that can't afford it on the open market, will just have to pay for their medical care out of their own pocket.

This works out great until they get pregnant. Then we all start pitching in, one way or another, picking up the tab for everything from the hospital bills for the birth, to vaccinations, schools, ... Kid are expensive.

Birth control is a drop in the bucket to the costs we will all be sharing for the next 18 years.

This idea that poor women will be able to pay for their own health insurance with birth control coverage is just so silly I'm surprised anyone on this enlightened forum posted it.

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Old 10-07-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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I think if that were the case Hobby Lobby would be open on Sundays.
If Hobby Lobby were good Christians they'd quit buying their cheap chunk from Chinese slave labor factories.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:41 PM
 
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To the person who posted that people are free to decline the company insurance and get their own policy.

Sounds like quite the plan.

Women working at Walmart can decline their insurance and go get it on the open market. No problem. (Want to bet whether Walmart suddenly gets religion and stops offering birth control coverage to their few employees who actually get insurance?)

Anyway, those that can't afford it on the open market, will just have to pay for their medical care out of their own pocket.

This works out great until they get pregnant. Then we all start pitching in, one way or another, picking up the tab for everything from the hospital bills for the birth, to vaccinations, schools, ... Kid are expensive.

Birth control is a drop in the bucket to the costs we will all be sharing for the next 18 years.

This idea that poor women will be able to pay for their own health insurance with birth control coverage is just so stupid I'm surprised anyone on this enlightened forum posted it.
"poor women" are on medicaid which is not affected by this.

If they are above poverty line and working they most likely will get 100% subsidy on ACA.
Others above that..surely they can find $50 or less a month for contraceptives.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:43 PM
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Doesn't the federal government take money away from a working woman's (everyone's) paycheck because they don't trust her to be responsible enough to put money away to pay her federal income tax? IMO That's the government acknowledging that we are not responsible.

The religious right would like the government to side with them and hold women to be more responsible. The government already knows we are not responsible. How much health care cost are due to the fact we are not the best custodians of our bodies?
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Great to see an administration not punishing religious orgs by not making them violate their beliefs any longer, as ACA often did as written.
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Old 10-07-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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"poor women" are on medicaid which is not affected by this.

If they are above poverty line and working they most likely will get 100% subsidy on ACA.
Others above that..surely they can find $50 or less a month for contraceptives.
Haven't you heard? Huge cuts to Medicaid and ACA is on the way out.

As to having an extra $600/year. Surely, you jest.
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Old 10-07-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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Condoms are even cheaper. And to suggest that if I don't approve of birth control coverage that I will ultimately pay for all the children born as a result is ridiculous. The government is NOT responsible for anyone's careless behavior.

And if you really believe that "It takes a village "nonsense, let me take you to any third world country and you can see exactly how "the village" treats one of their own who steps out of the bounds of their cultural mores. Not very pretty.
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