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Old 10-07-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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How much is viagra?
Most pharmacies will sell Viagra for about $70 per tablet.

Another cash grab is Plan B. One package of Plan B costs more than a 1 month supply of most generic oral contraceptives. It shouldn't cost more than $5.
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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So where is Ivanka, the champion of women?

Where are her tweets, her speeches?
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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Most pharmacies will sell Viagra for about $70 per tablet.

Another cash grab is Plan B. One package of Plan B costs more than a 1 month supply of most generic oral contraceptives. It shouldn't cost more than $5.
Does Medicare cover Viagra?
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:07 AM
 
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One could make that exact same claim about all medical expenses.

Viagra, antidepressants, ... all private concerns. Why should insurance be picking up the tab because you can't get it up or are down in the dumps?

Scientology is against psychiatric drugs and even psychiatric help.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions.

Christian Scientists don't believe in any of it. Their insurance plan consists of prayer as far as I can tell.

If God wanted you to have working kidneys, low cholesterol, insulin ...

All medical care is a personal choice. You can say no to the double bypass surgery, hemorrhoid removal, rotator cuff repair, ... your choice.

This is illogical nonsense. I am discussing birth control, not illnesses. Birth control should not be covered by insurance companies. Insurance isn't designed to cover routine lifestyle expenses. It is designed to protect one from catastrophic loss in the event of an unlucky and unlikely encroachment by disease. That is the only way it can remain affordable and useful for its intended purpose.


If you want to avoid kids, great, do it on your own dime. It's an individual responsibility and there is no reason to foist your personal lifestyle expenses on the lives of those around you. Pay for your own *****. Pay for your own IUD. Pay for your own Trojans. Pay for your own erection pills.


I am not interested in paying high insurance premiums because incompetent people want to socialize all the expenses that don't want to be bothered paying.


Enough with it already.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:23 AM
 
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Playing sports is also a lifestyle choice.


Insurance shouldn't cover blown out knees or broken bones acquired while playing a game.


You like to climb mountains?


Go for it.


BUT, if you take a fall, insurance won't cover your broken back. Pay for it yourself.


You made a lifestyle choice.


And no more child tax credits. Having children is a lifestyle choice and the rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize your choice.


Same goes for free breakfast/lunches in school. We pay to educate them, not feed them. Pack them a lunch with your food stamp money.


Oh wait.....no more food stamps either.


Can't feed your kids?..... teach them how to dumpster dive or beg in the streets like they do in third world countries.


My point? Why is it only about sex and birth control?

We can't discuss every topic on Earth and make false equivalencies to justify insanity. Birth control is not a disease, and should not be covered by insurance. It should be paid for by the person who needs it and wants it as a personal expense using their own funds. Adults manage their sexuality and should pay for the routine expenses.


The reason health insurance is impossible for many to afford is that we've corrupted its purpose - to handle and mitigate disaster.


Birth control pills are NOT medicine. They are not for a disease. They are for lifestyle management. Pay for it yourself. Just like you pay for your gym, or your deodorant.


We don't steal money from others to defray ordinary living expenses. Well we do of course but we shouldn't.


Insurance is affordable as long as it mitigates the infrequent risk of serious disease. When we force insurance companies to pay for every damned daily expense that is connected in any way to our body and lifestyle management, the price goes through the roof and no none can afford insurance. And then the mediocrities scream for single payer when they can't afford ridiculous bloated insurance policies that are FORCED BY THE STATE to cover every damnable human psychopathological self-destructive urge that you can imagine. And many that you can't.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:27 AM
 
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Birthing is a private matter. Between 2 people having a sweet time, why should we pay? Nobody asked them to turn down the lights - and who told that man to drink so much? Now we have to pay his rehab! And who told that woman to work in the terrible cement floors and now have heels spurs,, we could be here a few days. With personal choice problems .

That brings up an excellent point. Alcoholism should not be covered by medical insurance. It is a voluntary choice and those that abuse alcohol or cocaine or heroin should pay for their own rehab out of personal funds. It is preposterous insanity that someone chooses to be a drunk and FORCES THE REST OF US to pay for their rehab.


Again, insurance is insane because we've made it that way. Moral depravity should not be a covered medical expense.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:24 AM
 
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Time warp? more like Freddy Kruger nightmares. I remember my Dr was catholic and would not prescribe the pills. Love my son, but would have rather waited a few years - ahhh back in the day, how did we go back ?!!!!
It doesn't apply to only women. After our second child was born, we decided no more and my husband got a vasectomy. I had to go to his doctor's office, listen to a stupid lecture, wait 24 hours, and I had to sign a consent form as his wife. Totally STUPID. HIS body, not mine. His insurance paid for vasectomies. All the female employees with this insurance paid. It cost a lot more than any Viagra.

So by the thinking on this thread, we should have just paid ourselves for condoms for the next 15 years until menopause? Our fault for our "lifestyle" choice of getting married and sleeping in the same bed with someone of the opposite sex? We couldn't afford to have a quiverfull of children. Welfare would be a better option?

Incidentially, for those on here (men?) who do not know the Pill is also prescribed for menstrual problems. I took it at 11 years old back in the 60's. Very heavy periods and cramps. Missed a lot of school because of that. So women, and girls, will need a doctor's note now to explain WHY she is taking the Pill? Is it for birth control or a medical problem? My problem for being born female?

I used to process medical claims. Any procedure that is not necessary to sustain life is considered elective. Lifestyle. Sterilization is one, but a hip replacement is also considered elective. You are not going to die without a hip replacement. A person can CHOOSE to sit in a wheelchair. Think about that when you talk about your "lifestyle choices." Sit in your wheelchair, Grandpa. Why should I pay for your hip replacement.
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Old 10-08-2017, 08:24 AM
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That brings up an excellent point. Alcoholism should not be covered by medical insurance. It is a voluntary choice and those that abuse alcohol or cocaine or heroin should pay for their own rehab out of personal funds. It is preposterous insanity that someone chooses to be a drunk and FORCES THE REST OF US to pay for their rehab.


Again, insurance is insane because we've made it that way. Moral depravity should not be a covered medical expense.




There is the slippery slope "moral depravity.“ If I was an insurance company investor I would be praying that you are successful in getting the industry to deny health care claims associated with voluntary behavior. You know most cancers are associated with things that we voluntarily put into our bodies. Let’s go for the full monty and get them to deny claims resulting from all the deadly sins that can be traced to biblical or religious doctrine.

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Old 10-08-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Does Medicare cover Viagra?
Of course not. It is a CMS excluded drug.
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Old 10-08-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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That brings up an excellent point. Alcoholism should not be covered by medical insurance. It is a voluntary choice and those that abuse alcohol or cocaine or heroin should pay for their own rehab out of personal funds. It is preposterous insanity that someone chooses to be a drunk and FORCES THE REST OF US to pay for their rehab.


Again, insurance is insane because we've made it that way. Moral depravity should not be a covered medical expense.
Until it is you.
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