What policy or issue will help most to get Trump reelected ? (minimum wage, middle east)

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

Sadly, many Dems still think that's an issue winner/pleaser with the American people. I recall both Sanders and Clinton saying that they'd go much farther than Obama did with DACA and similar initiatives, the Constitution be damned. Such crazy lawlessness only appeals to coast elites and limousine liberals.

They never leave their coastal echo chambers.

HRC first visited Wisconsin to sell her book after she lost.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by phma

Very reasonable point of view. If the economy doesn't improve but stays the same, is there an economic policy that the Dems have that would attract support ? The only policy I've seen is the everyone must hate Trump policy. Maybe the Dems have one that isn't being talked about ? IDK

If we are being honest, if the economy doesnt improve, I dont think Democrats need one. Trump failing would be enough for at least his supporters who were on the fence to stay home this time around, and I honestly believe there is some 3rd party regret that will vote for Dems in 2020 because they wouldnt want to give Trump a second term.

But to be clear, Democrats have been arguing for an infrastructure plan for years. That alone would create a couple of hundred thousand jobs for a 2 year period. These jobs wouldnt be permanent, but they would be real tangible jobs and not promised future jobs like with the Trump administration.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

They never leave their coastal echo chambers.

HRC first visited Wisconsin to sell her book after she lost.

There are 200 million people on the Coast. By your own logic, it is more accurate to say Republicans dont level the inland states.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

There are 200 million people on the Coast. By your own logic, it is more accurate to say Republicans dont level the inland states.

GOP owns Southeastern , mainly bible Belt, Coast.

Dems own the small Acela Belt.

Acela Belt plus West Coast - 270 is a negative number,, as DNC discovered.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by shanv3

But for that Democrats need to choose a candidate.

Originally Posted by katie45

I agree. And this should be their goal even in 2017 instead of spinning their wheels complaining about President Trump - their time could be used much more productively.

My problem with this argument is that Trump ran on trade deals in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

Not a single congressional Democrat voted for that trade deal in those states, but a majority of the republicans from those states did.

How he won those states on that message is weird in and of itself to discuss. So it may not be the messenger that matters all that much.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

My problem with this argument is that Trump ran on trade deals in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

Not a single congressional Democrat voted for that trade deal in those states, but a majority of the republicans from those states did.

How he won those states on that message is weird in and of itself to discuss. So it may not be the messenger that matters all that much.

Clinton (Bill) passed NAFTA. From then on, Democrats own it.

Votes were not there for an override, then, had he vetoed it.

He was proud of it.

Rust belt told his spouse what they felt about it.

MAGA

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

GOP owns Southeastern , mainly bible Belt, Coast.

Dems own the small Acela Belt.

Acela Belt plus West Coast - 270 is a negative number,, as DNC discovered.

We are not arguing who won what, but where Democrats are and who they listen to.

California, Oregon, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,Connecticut, Massachusetts, N.Y., New Jersey, Deleware, Maryland,Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida is
200 million people.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Clinton (Bill) passed NAFTA. From then on, Democrats own it.

Votes were not there for an override, then, had he vetoed it.

He was proud of it.

Rust belt told his spouse what they felt about it.

MAGA

1. Bill Clinton didnt pass NAFTA, its a trade deal, not a treaty. Even if you want to frame it in that context, it was George H W Bush who passed it.

2. Again, The Republicans in those states supported it, and still do, where as those Democrats never did.

Why is it you support keeping those same Republicans in power ?

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

We are not arguing who won what, but where Democrats are and who they listen to.

California, Oregon, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,Connecticut, Massachusetts, N.Y., New Jersey, Deleware, Maryland,Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida is
200 million people.

Acela Belt coast = DNC

South of Va coast = RNC

Acela Belt is not 200 million. Even adding in West Coast.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

1. Bill Clinton didnt pass NAFTA, its a trade deal, not a treaty. Even if you want to frame it in that context, it was George H W Bush who passed it.

2. Again, The Republicans in those states supported it, and still do, where as those Democrats never did.

Why is it you support keeping those same Republicans in power ?

BC signed it. He owns it. A veto and it fails.

It passed during BC's tenure.




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