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View Poll Results: What is Trump's approach to improving the US
Mostly it is everyone wins something (win-win) 33 36.26%
Mostly it is his supporters will be winners, the rest are losers 58 63.74%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-09-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it, and then your the one that is going to have to live with it. Just take a good look at history of people promising utopia, people like Lenin, Stalin and Mao come to mind.
There is no Utopia...... Democracy is about the equality of individuals, supporting a premise of "majority rule".
Based on the premise of the Constitution and the Laws that Support it, we should be intellegent enough to respect the premise of equality, and make choice and vote for the best that benefits the mass, by majority rule.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao, had none of that in mind.

What may come is many things, but we do know that A.I. is coming, (Artificial Intelligence), and however it arrives in mass saturation, its decisions will be based on some logical premise set to an algorithm.

We better get intelligent very quickly, if we expect to live in a world where "things' use A.I. to make choices and decision and we are heading now in a direction where we will be the recipients as well as the beings those decisions will be directed toward, at, upon and unto.

It is highly likely, we'd want to abolish, "bigotry", "racism", and such things, before we are saturated into a changed environment which is demonstrating that change "everyday".

People are tripping on silly stuff like bias, and bigotry and racist madness, and are blind to what is reality. Now days, the whole society is hooked on "swiping a credit/debit card, jobs are encouraging electronic deposit, and everything from Newspaper Racks to Soda and Snack machines have a card reader, and Online shopping uses digital process where no paper money is seen changing hands. That tells us were technology is, one can deposit a paper check by snapping a picture, "nothing" absolutely "nothing" anyone can do regarding public services is done without the computer, and now the advance in driver-less vehicles may seem like a novelty, but cars are backing up a parking themselves all over American, nothing about a vehicle is without a digital connection of some sort using data; it won't be long before the game that is changing Taxi's from a fixed company, to Uber, will make its next change to using driver-less cars. Fast food places talking about robotic kiosk

and we are tripping on what someone skin color is, or what ethnicity their family is. It's insane.
Trillions of Dollars move around the globe every day, and not one physical paper bill moves in the process, its all done digitally. People even buy, sell and trade drugs with crpypto-currency. People now can buy a Degree online and never step into a class room.

We simply need to let go of fictions about the past, and wake up..... There is no return to white dominance, and no return to black slavery, and no more denigrating people from various other foreign lands. There is: "PEOPLE"

We better learn to respect what that means, and work on what matter, is "humanity and the appreciative regard to be communicable and driven with a desire to want to work together"... If that means the only achievable means to get to that, is for bigots and racist to be eradicated, we can best believe at some point, technology will fix that too.

They already have facial recogonition, and as far fetched as its sounds, they are already using it to depict things about people. Now... just where does one thinks such will lead to.... People have hidden labs everywhere, trying things we have not even considered to think about. But they have technology that will effect things, far beyond what our daily lives deal with.

It's not science fiction... That cell phone and what it can do, was once only thought to be science fiction, now that small device, holds the knowledge of a billion sets of encyclopedia's on any subject one wants to explore, and its transmitted wireless. App developers create new processes everyday.... There is little that people can do, that is not in some ways digitized and no one knows what or how that data is used in whole or in secular programmed parts and for what objectives. Every company, sends out a periodical update to their fiction of privacy, and it always tells one that the data is to be shared with other affiliates. Some place have cameras everywhere, one can't go into a big grocer and not be video checked, they even know where your eyes are focused on products on the shelves, they know what you buy, because you either swipe a card, or use one to pay, and even if you pay with cash, the date, time and transaction can be matched with digital imagery, and they know exactly who you are and what you purchased. This stuff has been in use for more than a decade or so. Your cell phone pings a tower no matter where you go, and every app wants permission to things that have nothing to do with the actual app.
Camera and mic can be remotely activated and you never know its recording, now people wire their homes with video and the little box that suppose to answer all your questions, no one else knows what else that box is collecting about you and your activities in the home. People accept this in the name of convenience and security, before long, your own refrigerator will record how many times you opened its door and what you put in or removed from it. Print a piece of paper and there are marks invisible to the eye, that knows exactly which unit printed a document. This stuff is only some of what's real in the world today. There are things that it will be decades before its made public, unless technology make a giant leap, and they have something 100 times better, only then will they make the what they feel is then rudimentary, available. As usual, we will act stunned and amazed, while the developers are decades ahead.

That should be an indicator of what we are dealing with in the true reality of life in the age of technology and information.

Would one truly think, that something as archaic as racism can survive in that climate. ?

today, we have so many people who have the difficulty even communicating their concerns and issue, who make many claims and unaware of even the details of their situation they care making a complaint about. Time and Life, is indicating to people, that the age of technology and information, is not and will not be a suitable venue for "generalized ignorance to function".... (that means people simply "not knowing the basics of what they must come to know"). Technology and life is showing us every day, how unprepared so many people are to deal with the generalized advances that our society, as a matter of fact, all the developed nations of the world is dealing with.

Places like Japan and S. Korea are so far ahead of us, in how their general public uses technology, and how they have been doing so for decades. We still have websites that can't even show a video clip without stalling, and hanging up, and these countries have been streaming content for decades far beyond the glitch prone systems we have.

Our system currently is at a stage of full circle absurdity in the public arena, because now, when one turn to a web page, "it jumps and jerks, and the incessant intrusion of "advertisement" and video ads over-riding the page script, such stuff has made it into a generalized absurdity. Actually, its an atrocity, as to how abuse and greed has damaged the processes and functions of digital web based systems.


When the social media obsessed society awakens as to how they have been made into a commodity;people will act shocked. By then, its' likely in a few years or more, things like Facebook will either have to change drastically, or go the way of Myspace, because they are abusive, and also covert in the conduct they engage, by the use of "general public as a commodity". Currently, Facebook is too valuable to the government and law enforcement, in monitoring the idiocy of people and the malice of some. Google intrudes into anything and everything, and everyone, and some countries are contesting their covert means of intrusions, but many of the general public is still unaware.

Those sitting around spinning in bias and bigotry, will only find themselves further behind and claiming they've been forgotten, because their ignorance kept them stagnated, trying to cling to some centuries old bias and racism, and delusions of grandeur based on skin... and time will find them even to be more desperate than they are now, and its all due to their own faults and creation, of being hung up on some bigotry and bias, in a delusion of superiority, as they become and make themselves even more inferior within the world and society.

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Old 10-09-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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The democrats want to take jobs from Americans and make the lives better for illegals and lives worse for Americans across the board. The Dems are sending illegals to college to get cheap white collar labor hurting working Americans keeping wages lower.
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Old 10-09-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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The only thing America needs cleansing of is, the Right Wing Conservative Ideologist, Thankfully many will die out in the next decade of so.
Maybe even the scientist can come up with something that helps that process along. But since that is not likely, hopefully all the right wingers conservative, devote themselves to the Republican "let's kill some people health programming", that should help thin the herd..

Then the rest of us can get on with Living in a world of Diversity and promoting the basis of social and civic equality in America.
Wow did you read what you just typed? Liberal are suppose to embrace all ideas even if they do not like them.
If it was not for balance we would have extremism. This avocation of violence because you do not believe in the Freedoms of this country for all Citizens to embrace. is worrisome.


In the real world most people do get along with and most Americans have respect for other ideas. You and others are asking for civil war and frankly I think your radical actions will be the undoing of your movement.


You should remove yourself from tis forum. We embrace different ideas on CD.
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Old 10-09-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Default The President for All!

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One can say he not whining about the problems and Trump is going head on to reverse the Polices that was holding back America from the Obama Admin and going after the Deep State.


Jobs are up and the less regulation is paying off. Obama was not seriously committed to build America industrial might. If citizens are working that means we as ta payers pay less to support public programs.


No matter what political self identification is bring a wage home with benefits trumps many of the silly ideas of globalism.


Unless one does not want to lead productive lives?
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Old 10-09-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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Serious question: Does Mr. Trump see himself as wanting to improve the lives of of the entire US population, or just those who elected him?

In other words, is he attempting a win-win atmosphere for all of the US joined together, or is he wanting to find improvement for one part of the population while making the other part the losers.

If it is the win-win situation, then what will the new and improved US look like?
If it is the win vs lose situation, then what is being taken from the losers to be given to the winners?

This poll will be open for 30 days, but responses can be added indefinitely. This is an anonymous poll.
Not enough options. everyone loses should be there. I do not believe trumpers will gain much at all with most losing out bigly.
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Old 10-09-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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We won. You lost. Get in the back of the bus. Remember????
Here is the truth about your "Get in the back of the bus" .... statement:


It's not a win,

its only ......like minded minions are only seeing the last hurrah of the bigoted racist regime, and the biggest thing they've done is "EXPOSE THEIR TRUE SELF" and when the spin is done, it is the same ones that will find devastation consuming them even more than it already has.

That hurrah, as if this is 1930's and they are all rushing out to attend a lynching, but in this reality it is nothing more than one looking in a mirror at the lynching of ones self.

God knows how to deal with such bigotry and racist, and the time has spun around where they are due to get what they did sow. Which is the same destitution they shaped and tried to cast on others, will now consume them in thier own madness.
For Centuries and Decades they lived off of everyone else, and ran around gloating thinking ones self superior, and now they are so deep into the cycle of inferiority, until they are more terrified now than even before. One, they are exposed as the greatest abuser and greatest killer in this nation, they kill your own families, and then teach that madness to their kids and they go to school and kill up their classmates, those out in the sticks and the hicks, are addicted to any kind of pill they can get their hands on, and anguished, because they sit on their butts, trying to live an elite life, and sold out everything to big corporations and then the big corporations kicked them to the curb, and took everything they had. Now, they don't know what to do, so they try and drown themselves in popping pills, shooting up heroin and chasing any amphetamine they can find and getting drunk and go home and beat down the whole family, if and something they don't molest as many of them as they can first.
They beat their woman and leave a string of broken down women strapped with kids she can't feed, because his arrogance trying to be "Mr. Master" found him unable to even maintain himself, when there were no government hands outs and access with a "white only stamp on the entry door", so now... he is now unequipped to even begin to learn how to live in the 21st Century.

Running around lusting for the days where his vile functioned like an organization of terrorist against minorities and women, and now many lusting for a repeat and desperate to the point, they'd accept some nut case like Trump, because "he is wealthy" and they have been trained like Pavlov's process, to salivate on cue any time racist bigot of a person with money speaks, and the minute they hear one of their "buzz words" they start salivating like a pack of while beast.

People see, and now in the open society of today, they see the same beast like mindset that led to the slaughter of the American Indians, and the abuse and inhumane acts of trying to enslave people not only in American, but every continent he has ever set his foot upon. Now, today, he is the most despised being on the planet.

It will take Liberal white people sadly a lot of work, to ensure the world they are nothing like the rabid right winger conservative monsters that have wreaked havoc in American for Centuries and Decades.

Eventually, the Liberal Minded Whites will maintain and gain broader respectability without having to be judged through a filter to ensure they are not of any part infected with Rabid Right Wing Ideology. Other Ethnicity of the World are far more willing to give fair change and fair opportunity to the Liberal Minded Whites, and to see them as Individuals, but the world no longer has any place that is accepting of the Right Wing Conservative Bigots.
They are today, see with the same vile as was seen of the Hitler Era Nazi's..... They are easily identifiable, most have no body rhythm, no matter what they do and say, that bigotry comes out even when they try and hide it, and the racism is so deep in their core, that delusion of entitlement quickly angers him when he can't get his way, or he become like a thief of every sort, with a lie wrapped within his every word. He simply is not one that is Trust Worthy, and the world of the people from many nations will recognize it right away.

Today, Many nations look back and their history and they have not forgotten the atrocities his type has engaged to abuse, misuse and segregate the people, they have not forgotten the torture, and killing of many among their ethnicity and culture. They know of his greed and they know he will stab his own mother, if he thinks it will gain him wealth or status, so his expanse of evil is well documented.

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Old 10-09-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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One can say he not whining about the problems and Trump is going head on to reverse the Polices that was holding back America from the Obama Admin and going after the Deep State.


Jobs are up and the less regulation is paying off. Obama was not seriously committed to build America industrial might. If citizens are working that means we as ta payers pay less to support public programs.


No matter what political self identification is bring a wage home with benefits trumps many of the silly ideas of globalism.


Unless one does not want to lead productive lives?

Well...

32% of Americans might buy that story.

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Old 10-09-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: 89434
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Presidents stopped representing "the people" after JFK got assassinated.
Isn't that how Trump won the election? Because people got tired of politicians bending over to globalism and only caring about their donors.
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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The democrats want to take jobs from Americans and make the lives better for illegals and lives worse for Americans across the board. The Dems are sending illegals to college to get cheap white collar labor hurting working Americans keeping wages lower.
And if you don't agree with them, they call you racist, sexist, etc... Those are what they offer because they have no logic or losing the argument.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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Wow did you read what you just typed? Liberal are suppose to embrace all ideas even if they do not like them.
If it was not for balance we would have extremism. This avocation of violence because you do not believe in the Freedoms of this country for all Citizens to embrace. is worrisome.


In the real world most people do get along with and most Americans have respect for other ideas. You and others are asking for civil war and frankly I think your radical actions will be the undoing of your movement.


You should remove yourself from tis forum. We embrace different ideas on CD.
You should not worry about me, you might want to check more those among your group, who supported the "killer program, Republican promoted that would damage the lives of 30 million people.
Why the heck would I support that? Not many other American support it either. Geez.... you can't see yourself for looking at trying to deny what you yourself post.
I'm am not a supporter of historical bigotry that is derived from historical racism, and certainly I am not a supporter of Right Winger Conservatism Agenda, I liken it to the exact same things as the Confederate Ideological system with its Antebellum Ideals.

It's a fact that if you Right Wingers want the "constructive killing program" promoted by republican, then go for it. and just as the program outlines... it will do exactly what it is designed to do, which is wipe out a mass of people. Now, because you don't like to accept that fact, is not my fault. and it is a fact that the more of you that do go for it, in a short time the lesser the numbers will be.
That's why the CBO listed it and the volume of people it would devastate.

Now, you can go and refute your issue with the CBO. This is not the first time you've come with some of your Right Winger Stuff and then jump back and want to play innocent, while you sling out your "Liberal" terms.

Here you are threatening Civil War.... maybe you did not get the message, THE CONFEDERATES lost that War, the sad part is some of you keep on with the covert and overt fighting continually.

Maybe you don't know it, but its "treasonous" Against The United States of America.

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