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Oxy's should not be prescribed, Tylenol should be fine. Prohibit it outside a hospital.
That decision should be up to a doctor, not a law enforcement or Govt agency. Everyones needs are going to be different, thats what doctors go to school for.
Besides, if they are SOOOO concerned with the health and safety of the public in relation to dangerous drugs, why is tobacco basically exempt, it kills over 500K a year and is KNOWN to be deadly for many years, yet anyone over 18 yo can go to any store and buy as many as they like all day long. Ive never once seen anyone calling for tough new regulations or laws on tobacco?
Oxy's should not be prescribed, Tylenol should be fine. Prohibit it outside a hospital.
Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree most vehemently with this. "Tylenol should be fine" you say. Uh huh, tell that to cancer patients, people with other serious degenerative and painful diseases. This tough guy take is really quite annoying. It's really easy for someone who is not and never has had to try and deal with serious , chronic pain to be so absolute in their statements.
Personally, I'm really fed up with this whole "you're a weakling if you need more than Tylenol" schtick. It's a seriously ignorant take and comes from a point of view of someone who has no clue what real chronic pain is. In order to be referred to an actual pain specialist you have to have a solid diagnosis of your condition, from more than one doctor, and in many cases the patient has to have reevaluations of their condition. I don't have to do these because it has been very closely examined that my condition will only worsen. There's no hope of it ever improving.
The only option I have is pain management. If I had to cope with a world governed by your opinion it wouldn't take long for me to consider seppuku. Other people I know would be the same. Even with the strong meds breakthrough pain is a constant companion. I went through 25 years of pure hell dealing with my condition. Just using OTC stuff. Wrapping my leg in fresh bandaging every morning dealing with wounds that never fully healed. Wrapping up was as much a part of my routine as putting on socks before I yanked on my boots and jumped in the ditch.
When I finally wound up on pain management this tough guy crap had me in the trauma ward with a 104 degree fever, an almost 3 inch wide and quarter inch deep ulceration that was ate up with secondary infection in addition to the bone disease and I was a half step from shaking hands with Mr. Dead. Telling me that Tylenol is enough and I'm a woose because I need narcotic meds makes me want to just flip the bird. I'm no weakling when it comes to dealing with pain, but I paid dearly for being a tough guy. Your opinion in the quoted post is vastly ignorant and unfortunately to many people share it. All of them with no real experience with real , chronic pain.
We've been hearing a whole lot lately about the opioid crisis/problem. Christie even made commercials for a radio talk show, which sympathizes the whole idea of it....
I don't find it difficult to understand....
Did I do drugs...no, I tried pot...but we didn't do drugs b/c we knew they were addictive so we stayed away from them, period.
One commercial I watched showed a grown man in his 20's stating, that "Well, he tried them because his friends kept bugging him to do it, and so he got hooked? Are you kidding me? Why would you do something like that in the first place...and he had to be lying, b/c you can't do opioids once and get hooked.
Even when I had surgeries, I weened myself off of the pain pills before hand, b/c I knew they were addictive...
Where is the personal mature responsibility...?
and then to boot, there surely is enough information out there to know, that if you move on to Heroine, your going to become addicted? So why do it in the first place.
Personally I believe these are all excuses why they are addicted to these drugs....and it isn't American's fault, nor our problem...what is going on with parenting? Are parents discussing drugs with their kids? How serious they are....
Honestly I don't believe parents are giving their kids enough responsibilities....when they are young, so they grow up fully aware?
What's your take....
My take it has nothing to do with the parents so stop blaming them. I believe some have addictive personalities and some don't. Nicotine is highly addictive to many but I also know some who can smoke 1 a day without any problem. I just think it's how your brain is wired. I was given opioids for surgery. I took one and never took it again because I didn't like how it made me feel. Others take one and love the effect. Yes it relieves the pain but then it goes much further for some. They become hooked. And it's not their fault. You don't always need opioids for pain. And you don't need a 30 day supply with refills. So when they can't get the pills anymore, they turn to heroin which is cheap and has the same effect. But it's deadly because it's mixed with fentanyl which they can easily get from China.
My take it has nothing to do with the parents so stop blaming them. I believe some have addictive personalities and some don't. Nicotine is highly addictive to many but I also know some who can smoke 1 a day without any problem. I just think it's how your brain is wired. I was given opioids for surgery. I took one and never took it again because I didn't like how it made me feel. Others take one and love the effect. Yes it relieves the pain but then it goes much further for some. They become hooked. And it's not their fault. You don't always need opioids for pain. And you don't need a 30 day supply with refills. So when they can't get the pills anymore, they turn to heroin which is cheap and has the same effect. But it's deadly because it's mixed with fentanyl which they can easily get from China.
The addiction/dependency aspect is something we chronic pain patients do have to contend with. I've been run out of and crash cut off my medications before because of insurance issues and pharmacy /doctor SNAFUs and that part of things is all to clear for me. It landed me in the hospital when my insurance changed and the doctor I was seeing had to refer me out because they don't take Medicare. The referral was 90 days out for my first appointment.
There are some medications that sudden crashes off of can be life threatening. It's total BS that opioid withdrawal is not life threatening, merely unpleasant. This might be true for some of the milder pain meds like Vicoden, but others are a different matter entirely. Three days into being crashed the nausea, vomiting and diarrhea had me so dehydrated and unable to keep even water and popsicles down that my kidneys were shutting down.
I had to call my Sister to come get me and take me in because I was afraid I'd pass out if I tried to drive.This turned out to be a fact as I had barely made it in the door of the ER when I flat passed out cold. I came to on a gurney with two IV's in me pumping full blast and the I heard the doctor telling my Sister my renal system was in shutdown. MY BP was only 62 over 54 and they had to rehydrate me and just pray my kidneys started up again on their own. The doctor called my former pain specialist and verified the problem and he was flat PO'd.
I wound up staying a week with 24 hour fluids and electrolytes pumping into me and thankfully my system recovered. I had an apt with the new specialist on the day of my discharge thanks to the doctor who handled me in the hospital. Being dependent on the meds as the only option for dealing with pain is no picnic. But there is no other viable solution. The issue will not get better and there's nothing for it. The crackdown laws and insurance regs are a pain patients worst nightmare. I wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to obtain drugs illegally and I certainly wouldn't know how to obtain heroin. I wouldn't do so even if I did know.
But things such as I described happen all the time, leaving legitimate patients under care for chronic and degenerative pain issues left to twist and even die. I often wonder how many "OD" deaths are actually deaths related to severe withdrawal and since they are "drug related" just get lumped into OD stats.
Probably more than some are willing to admit. Withdrawal from certain pain meds like MS contin can be deadly. The doctor in the hospital told me the effects are worse even than heroin and have far more actual physical effects. And for me there is no solution to ever worsening pain than the meds. Meditation techniques, soft sound recordings, all that other nonsense won't do squat for me. And a LOT of other people with cancer and other degenerative diseases. Force of will won't cut it either. That works for a while but when the limit is reached, and everyone has a limit beyond which you can't go So, we deal with "addiction". It's not a choice, unless you just want to have no quality of life and are housebound screaming in agony and eyeballing your pistol.
People like us are not dependent by choice because we are looking to cop a high. And all these self righteous clowns out there who call us weak, unmotivated, can't cope with a little bit of pain are just clueless what life is like for us. Tylenol won't even touch the pain we feel. We could take a whole bottle of it and still be writhing in agony. would recommend that people like that do a little research into the conditions that qualify someone for chronic pain treatment. You can't just make an appointment and say your back is hurt and get prescribed chronic management meds.
Not here in NV anyway. The condition has to be solidly diagnosed and documented. Referral to a pain specialist doesn't happen just because someone is claiming to be in pain. Something very real must be found to be wrong and that has to be backed up with solid diagnostics, imaging, tests of all manner and fully documented . Being diagnosed thus automatically puts you on radar for the feds and the state. Your prescription activity is closely monitored and if you get pain meds from anyone but your specialist outside of a hospital setting it flags you and things get very bad from there. The least that will happen is your doctor will drop you from treatment. Worst case DEA is banging on your door. There is no medical privacy for pain patients. And the people who abuse the drugs are not effected by this at all. There is no way to track them. The authorities go after low hanging fruit.
It really sucks being a pain patient. The abusers who just want to get high and are feeding a habit developed thus don't have all that to contend with. Their "prescribers" don't keep records that the state and feds can obtain just by walking in to the office and demanding them.
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And so I live as best I can as being disabled. No employer will touch me. I need serious pain control (which by itself makes me unemployable) and very close medical supervision. I used to be one of those tough guys that saw pain control such as I now require as a weakness. Thought I could just push through anything thrown at me. And I did. For a LONG time. My pain doctor , after reviewing my history, said "Your history tells me one thing. You're a stand up guy. It's unfortunate that landed you here with me." And so it is. People who abuse prescription pain medication for kicks and have thus made things really hard on people like me rankle me as much as they do anyone. Oh, I fully understand what addiction/dependency on these medications entails. Why someone would choose that I don't know. I'm not an omnipotent being. (sigh) But things are what they are...
I've been thinking about this post....of yours, and it made me reflect on myself...and how I viewed others with pain at a younger age, as like you, was a tough kid and woman growing up. Well, low and behold, came down with MS and now in the later years of my life, suffer great pain at times. Been doing some research on cannabis and cannabis oil, and while I cannot speak for you, I've told my son, as soon as they legalize it most surely going to try it....
Watched a video of a patient study where the man had been suffering from Parkinson's and how badly he shook, so they gave him a joint and moments later, after smoking, he didn't shake at all, it was amazing. I hear it's wonderful for pain and anxiety and I for one will try it once it is legal in my state.
My grand father was an alcoholic, and I've seen first hand, the inner turmoil and pain he caused others....and read stories of addicts, and what it did to their families...there was no way I ever wanted to do that to anyone, so, guess I just had a strong personal institution about addictions.
Still to this day, I cannot fathom someone wanting to so something so stupid to their loved ones....or even take a chance. Your not just hurting yourself, your hurting everyone around you, who knows you and loves you.
Society seems to forget today, the concept of how your actions reflect on others.
I've been thinking about this post....of yours, and it made me reflect on myself...and how I viewed others with pain at a younger age, as like you, was a tough kid and woman growing up. Well, low and behold, came down with MS and now in the later years of my life, suffer great pain at times. Been doing some research on cannabis and cannabis oil, and while I cannot speak for you, I've told my son, as soon as they legalize it most surely going to try it....
Watched a video of a patient study where the man had been suffering from Parkinson's and how badly he shook, so they gave him a joint and moments later, after smoking, he didn't shake at all, it was amazing. I hear it's wonderful for pain and anxiety and I for one will try it once it is legal in my state.
My grand father was an alcoholic, and I've seen first hand, the inner turmoil and pain he caused others....and read stories of addicts, and what it did to their families...there was no way I ever wanted to do that to anyone, so, guess I just had a strong personal institution about addictions.
Still to this day, I cannot fathom someone wanting to so something so stupid to their loved ones....or even take a chance. Your not just hurting yourself, your hurting everyone around you, who knows you and loves you.
Society seems to forget today, the concept of how your actions reflect on others.
Using medication for kicks and developing an addiction is a wrong choice that does cause harm and hurt. The same goes with alcohol abuse or any other substance abuse and addiction. My grandfather was an alcoholic as well, and a dirty, rotten mean one to boot. I've dealt with other people who were/are addicts. had my meds stolen by such people and oh my was I angry about that!
I've had pot recommended to me by my doctors and they all wanted to write me for a card. However getting a medical card for pot comes at the price of my firearms rights which I just can't abide. Go figure. Opioid narcotics are OK but a substance that isn't physically addictive makes you forfeit your rights.
Using medication for kicks and developing an addiction is a wrong choice that does cause harm and hurt. The same goes with alcohol abuse or any other substance abuse and addiction. My grandfather was an alcoholic as well, and a dirty, rotten mean one to boot. I've dealt with other people who were/are addicts. had my meds stolen by such people and oh my was I angry about that!
I've had pot recommended to me by my doctors and they all wanted to write me for a card. However getting a medical card for pot comes at the price of my firearms rights which I just can't abide. Go figure. Opioid narcotics are OK but a substance that isn't physically addictive makes you forfeit your rights.
and that is a perfect example of how corrupt our laws are.
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I'm no weakling when it comes to dealing with pain, but I paid dearly for being a tough guy. Your opinion in the quoted post is vastly ignorant and unfortunately to many people share it. All of them with no real experience with real , chronic pain.
And so it is. People who abuse prescription pain medication for kicks and have thus made things really hard on people like me rankle me as much as they do anyone. Oh, I fully understand what addiction/dependency on these medications entails. Why someone would choose that I don't know. I'm not an omnipotent being. (sigh) But things are what they are...
