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I know at least a few people from Hazard KY. They couldn't wait to get out of there and find jobs elsewhere. Does anyone really think a young person wants to become a coal miner anymore. They know there are no jobs there or future, no matter what deregulation takes place. They know that the Trump administration will only pollute their air and especially their water even more than it already is. Go to any Appalachian town in coal country; they are a sickly bunch. They have seen their fathers and other male relatives wither and struggle to breathe with black lung disease.
And coal is not the only answer but sure plan to use coal every ten years.
You are missing the point, power plants cost a lot of money to build and they may not generate profit for decades even when they are run at capacity for that time period. Those capital costs will be passed onto you whether it's running or not.
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The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s
Arby's doesn't pay on average $70K a year and if you are working at Arby's it's unlikely you have the skills to work at a coal mine. This is a very skilled workforce, mechanics, welders, machine operators, surveyors etc etc. It's also a work force that is paid much more than occupational averages, e.g. if you are welder or mechanic you will make more working at a coal mine.
You are missing the point, power plants cost a lot of money to build and they may not generate profit for decades even when they are run at capacity for that time period. Those capital costs will be passed onto you whether it's running or not.
Arby's doesn't pay on average $70K a year and if you are working at Arby's it's unlikely you have the skills to work at a coal mine. This is a very skilled workforce, mechanics, welders, machine operators, surveyors etc etc. It's also a work force that is paid much more than occupational averages, e.g. if you are welder or mechanic you will make more working at a coal mine.
$70K a year is not that much. It's not. But these guys get to have their pollution so what's the problem? And Trump is cancelling the retraining money Obama was going to help them with because - hey, they have fewer than 100K getting $70K a year. Appalachia is all solved now. No more money needed for them and let's cancel all that ridiculous Disability they are receiving.
You really think it costs more to provide electricity to a home in Florida from solar panels then from coal plants?
Go for it, put your money where your mouth is and do it without the subsidies.
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I'd be happy to pay double the utility costs I pay now if I didn't have to breathe air poisoned with high levels of particulate matter.
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Sooner or later the American economy will begin to suffer by being the dinasaur of energy and will be forced to transition to renewables simply to stay competitive in a global economy.
I'm going to suggest that wind and soalr will be seen as a very expensive boondoggle, better technologies are on the horizon. Fusion or geothermal will rule the energy market of tomorrow.
Go for it, put your money where your mouth is and do it without the subsidies.
I'm going to suggest that wind and soalr will be seen as a very expensive boondoggle, better technologies are on the horizon. Fusion or geothermal will rule the energy market of tomorrow.
So nobody invest in wind or solar! Don't listen to anyone but those forward thinking coal miners!
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$70K a year is not that much. It's not. But these guys get to have their pollution so what's the problem? And Trump is cancelling the retraining money Obama was going to help them with because - hey, they have fewer than 100K getting $70K a year. Appalachia is all solved now. No more money needed for them and let's cancel all that ridiculous Disability they are receiving.
$70k/year not that much? I normally agree with you, but I would kill to make that much. I'm earning $52k/year now, and consider myself lucky. I could earn $70-$80k in other metros in my field, but am stuck until my fiance finishes school
5 Big Things the Trump administration is doing to destroy the environment:
The very first thing on that list is the rule we are discussing here where the primary focus in on CO2 and was never implemented.... How you go from that to destroying the environment you will have to explain, liberal logic?
That's the average, with enough experience and the right skill set you can well past $100K/
As far as it not being a lot of money go tell that to Arby's employee you tried to compare them to...
There are more than times as many employees working for the solar industry as there is in the coal industry. 260,000 in solar, 65,971 in coal.
"The second number -- unstated in the op-ed, but equaling 87,000 workers employed in coal mining, if you do the math -- actually overstates the number of mine workers. According to the Energy Information Administration, a part of the federal Energy Department, the number of people working at coal mines was 65,971 in 2016. The actual ratio between the two numbers would be almost four-to-one."
The report goes on to say depending on the source it could be as low as 2.3 solar jobs to every one coal job but that still makes it clear that solar employ multiples more than coal.
China is manufacturing solar panels in facilities electrified by coal for export to nations like the US where they are subsidized which effectively subsidies Chinese manufactures. This is a common monopolistic practice of the Chinese, with state backing they try and monopolize a product by dumping it on the market with the intention of driving out the competition.
What is really humorous about this is an article linked to by Elliment about how Trump is destroying the environment.
A vote by a federal trade panel last month will allow Trump to impose tariffs or a quota on imported solar panels that make up the vast majority of the fast-growing U.S. renewables market — if he chooses to.
The decision by the U.S. International Trade Commission agreed with bankrupt solar manufacturers Suniva and SolarWorld that the low-cost imports had harmed U.S.-based producers. Now, people following the case expect that Trump will slap trade barriers on the imported solar equipment, which is largely produced by Chinese-based companies at factories across Asia.
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