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Old 10-11-2017, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Floyd Co, VA
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Please remember that if he starts a nuclear war Trump will be in the bunker with his family.

You won't.

 
Old 10-12-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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We tend to forget that nobody is a villain in his own eyes; as far as Kim is concerned, the US really is the bad guy.

The danger of this moment is that Kim really believes--and I do think that Kim does believe--that Trump has actually made a definite decision to attack but is just biding his time.


This is the kind of dangerous place the US was in with the USSR in the early 80s--but didn't realize it. We later learned only in the 90s that Andropov knew in the early 80s that the USSR had lost the Cold War and truly believed President Reagan intended to launch a first strike. We had no idea how edgy they were, and that's why ABLE ARCHER 83 got really scary really fast.


What can happen with North Korea--and if anything does happen, this is how I think it will happen--is that in the full belief that President Trump truly plans to attack, an edgy North Korean early warning radar operator is going to think he sees a B1 turning in their direction, and unlike Stanislav Petrov in 1983, he's not going to say, "Wait...just wait." He's not going to be the guy who waited too long.

I get your concern. It is indeed a dangerous game of poker. I came across this article you might find interesting. We have a long history of hpstile acts and rhetoric with North Korea that hasn't sparked a war....yet.

Nixon Considered Nuclear Option Against N. Korea : NPR
 
Old 10-12-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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Chucksnee, all they are verifying is that it is a valid order - in other words, that it was not somehow issued from someone other than the President. They CANNOT disobey the directive of the President - that's the whole point of the system; if we were under attack there is no time for debate. Amazing, but true.
Yep this is correct, even if everyone under him thought the order was insane, they could not disobey. Even if one or two did, they would be crucified for doing so and the order would still go thru.
 
Old 10-12-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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I get your concern. It is indeed a dangerous game of poker. I came across this article you might find interesting. We have a long history of hpstile acts and rhetoric with North Korea that hasn't sparked a war....yet.

Nixon Considered Nuclear Option Against N. Korea : NPR
That option was considered more than once.
 
Old 10-12-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Yep this is correct, even if everyone under him thought the order was insane, they could not disobey. Even if one or two did, they would be crucified for doing so and the order would still go thru.
I agree, as I said before, but in the context of this thread....it's false....if Kelly or anyone else is tackling trump......think about the context of the OP...noting more, nothing less....


But to answer your question in which you are thinking, I don't think he would sit back pick up the phone and say LAUNCH with zero indicators of anything happening to he U.S., and if he did the guys on the other end would be verifying, what?
 
Old 10-12-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Yep this is correct, even if everyone under him thought the order was insane, they could not disobey. Even if one or two did, they would be crucified for doing so and the order would still go thru.
Once Trump gives the order, there's no invoking Article 25.
 
Old 10-12-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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I agree, as I said before, but in the context of this thread....it's false....if Kelly or anyone else is tackling trump......think about the context of the OP...noting more, nothing less....


But to answer your question in which you are thinking, I don't think he would sit back pick up the phone and say LAUNCH with zero indicators of anything happening to he U.S., and if he did the guys on the other end would be verifying, what?
From what I've read, once they verify the order came from POTUS, they are duty bound to follow through.

As to whether he'd give the order with zero indicators of anything going on in, who knows what Trump will do?

Do you?
 
Old 10-12-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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From what I've read, once they verify the order came from POTUS, they are duty bound to follow through.

As to whether he'd give the order with zero indicators of anything going on in, who knows what Trump will do?

Do you?
"We seem to have trouble on the line...you're cutting out, sir." <Somebody call Stratcom and find out what the hell is going on!>
 
Old 10-12-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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the republican think he can-- READ or watch the video

What makes you thinks he cannot, because there is no teleprompter in the way?
 
Old 10-12-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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Good grief, liberals are so out of touch with reality. They make it sound like there is this big red button, and all that must happen is Trump run over there and push it. Stop him! Ridiculous. There is a whole chain of command, multiple people involved, checks and balance that have to take place before we shoot off a nuke.
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