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Old 10-29-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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Long term illegal aliens can be difficult and, in some cases, impossible to deport. And the need for dialysis may prevent deportation.

In general ICE refuses to take custody of the ill or injured. Don't want to take on the costs of treatment. When a truck load of illegals are in an accident ICE refuses involvement and leaves it to local authorities.

Some hospitals have actually done it. But the result was both expensive and caused problems for the hospital.
I can get rid of them quickly without even having to spend much money.
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Old 10-29-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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They wait until it is an emergency and they get it in the ER and medicaid gets charged.
The cost is in the hundreds of millions of dollars per year for the US.
Here is what the law actually says in regards to this. You can't cherry pick a hospital that voluntarily provides dialysis to undocumented people and claim that is the policy nationwide because it's not. The only federally guaranteed benefit to that contingent is 'emergency medicaid' which is limited to treatment of ESRD when the patient is in crisis, there is no provision for routine dialysis, some states provide it, others do nothing:

Medicaid Rules Can Thwart Immigrants Who Need Dialysis : Shots - Health News : NPR

http://www.ajkd.org/article/S0272-63...989-5/fulltext
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Old 10-29-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Here is what the law actually says in regards to this. You can't cherry pick a hospital that voluntarily provides dialysis to undocumented people and claim that is the policy nationwide because it's not. The only federally guaranteed benefit to that contingent is 'emergency medicaid' which is limited to treatment of ESRD when the patient is in crisis, there is no provision for routine dialysis, some states provide it, others do nothing:

Medicaid Rules Can Thwart Immigrants Who Need Dialysis : Shots - Health News : NPR

http://www.ajkd.org/article/S0272-63...989-5/fulltext

The truth is that tens of millions are spent to give illegals dialysis.
There's one story I read where an illegal was denied dialysis at a hospital. She then camped out in the waiting room until it became an emergency and they gave her the dialysis treatment.

Sure it varies by state with some more open to spend their money on illegals.
Several hospitals in south Texas had to shut down their walk in dialysis units because of illegals.

And this isn't news. It's been going on for years.


From 2008:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...ostly-dilemma/
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:58 PM
 
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"Teresita Aquino, an undocumented immigrant from the Philippines, hadn’t intended to stay in the United States, but being rushed to the emergency room with kidney failure eight years ago changed her mind. Now, a free transportation service picks her up three days a week for her dialysis in Torrance, Calif.

“If I go home, I won’t be able to afford this,” said Aquino, 56. “No way am I going home.”

The only alternative to dialysis is a kidney transplant, a procedure California and a few other states provide to illegal immigrants. Last year, 52 of the 1,912 kidney transplants in California were for illegal immigrants."

Wonder how the 52 citizens who didn't get a kidney because an illegal got it fared under the compassionate government of California?
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Old 10-29-2017, 01:30 PM
 
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"Teresita Aquino, an undocumented immigrant from the Philippines, hadn’t intended to stay in the United States, but being rushed to the emergency room with kidney failure eight years ago changed her mind. Now, a free transportation service picks her up three days a week for her dialysis in Torrance, Calif.

“If I go home, I won’t be able to afford this,†said Aquino, 56. “No way am I going home.â€

The only alternative to dialysis is a kidney transplant, a procedure California and a few other states provide to illegal immigrants. Last year, 52 of the 1,912 kidney transplants in California were for illegal immigrants."

Wonder how the 52 citizens who didn't get a kidney because an illegal got it fared under the compassionate government of California?
And the fact that she cannot get the dialysis at home may well protect her from deportation.

Kidney transplants are done based on need and match. You suggest other criteria? This is a classic red herring issue. The illegal alien population needs to be resolved and quickly. The only rational way to do that is legalization of most. But emergency medical care should not be an issue.
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Old 10-29-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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"Teresita Aquino, an undocumented immigrant from the Philippines, hadn’t intended to stay in the United States, but being rushed to the emergency room with kidney failure eight years ago changed her mind. Now, a free transportation service picks her up three days a week for her dialysis in Torrance, Calif.

“If I go home, I won’t be able to afford this,†said Aquino, 56. “No way am I going home.â€

The only alternative to dialysis is a kidney transplant, a procedure California and a few other states provide to illegal immigrants. Last year, 52 of the 1,912 kidney transplants in California were for illegal immigrants."

Wonder how the 52 citizens who didn't get a kidney because an illegal got it fared under the compassionate government of California?
You might find this interesting since you seem to think that it's super duper easy for an illegal to get a kidney transplant:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062914/
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Old 10-29-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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And the fact that she cannot get the dialysis at home may well protect her from deportation.

Kidney transplants are done based on need and match. You suggest other criteria? This is a classic red herring issue. The illegal alien population needs to be resolved and quickly. The only rational way to do that is legalization of most. But emergency medical care should not be an issue.
Amnesty? Again? HELL no! All that got us last time was tens of millions more illegal aliens.
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Old 10-29-2017, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Amnesty? Again? HELL no! All that got us last time was tens of millions more illegal aliens.
Hell Yes...the other choice is to continue as we have the for last years...which is far worse than legalization.

There is no significant support for deportation and will not be.
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Old 10-29-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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Hell Yes...the other choice is to continue as we have the for last years...which is far worse than legalization.
Nope. Deport them. Simple.

They're foreign invaders. As such, they have no Constitutional rights. Just deport them. Period.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:00 PM
 
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Nope. Deport them. Simple.

They're foreign invaders. As such, they have no Constitutional rights. Just deport them. Period.
Dream on. You would have to quadruple the Immigration system which would take at least five years and then you could began to actually erode the illegal population. And when we are done we end up with a million or more we cannot find and two million or more than cannot be deported because the receiving country won't take them back.

None of that is about to happen and even such simple things as tightening employment will be defeated by the special interest groups.

And by continuing to ignore reality you allow the problem to fester and leave us vulnerable to a new wave if other economies should go the wrong way.
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