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Old 10-31-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Let's assume we can't get blood from a stone. What's the poor's responsibility to the society then? What's their fair share to pay?

I assume that's $0. If so, why everybody else is forced at gunpoint to pay more than $0?
Because government employees don't work for free, so the money has to come from somewhere, so you tax it from people who have it
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because government employees don't work for free, so the money has to come from somewhere, so you tax it from people who have it
Everyone has money. Can't function in society without it. Tax everyone, equally. Same tax rate. Those who earn/spend less will similarly pay less in tax.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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If college was "free" in Sweden, 85% of Swedish college students wouldn't graduate owing an average of $19,000 each in student loan debt.

In direct contrast, only 50% of US college students owe student loan debt.

Why should anyone pay a higher rate than anyone else for the exact same thing?
Sure they would. Financially it would be a very good thing to do. Any cheap money you use to cover your living costs or invest. There is nothing in your cite that says the graduates are even in debt.

Because they can. You go where the money is and higher incomes can afford higher taxes.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sure they would. Financially it would be a very good thing to do. Any cheap money you use to cover your living costs or invest. There is nothing in your cite that says the graduates are even in debt.
Yes, there is. It also says Swedes earn less money at their first job after graduating college.

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Because they can. You go where the money is and higher incomes can afford higher taxes.
What if there is no money? What if someone earning $500,000/year lives paycheck to paycheck? They have no extra money to pay tax. It's all spent on bills. Same as a low-income person.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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Ask the Democrats why they could come up with nothing better than lame Obamacare. They had the opportunity to solve this for good. They are just as crooked and sold out to big business and the wealthy 1% as anyone.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Yes, there is. It also says Swedes earn less money at their first job after graduating college.

What if there is no money? What if someone earning $500,000/year lives paycheck to paycheck? They have no extra money to pay tax. It's all spent on bills. Same as a low-income person.
Read your cite again. Payments limited to 3.8% of income.

They live paycheck to paycheck on $350,000 per year. Simple. And a lot less painful than a $25,000 family losing $7500.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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Read your cite again. Payments limited to 3.8% of income.
Doesnt erase the debt, which 85% of them have.

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They live paycheck to paycheck on $350,000 per year. Simple. And a lot less painful than a $25,000 family losing $7500.
People have different standards of living. Who are YOU to say how others should spend their own money? If there's no extra after paying living expenses and bills, they shouldn't have to pay tax regardless of how much they earn. Because, as you said... They have no money with which to pay.
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:37 PM
 
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Read your cite again. Payments limited to 3.8% of income.

They live paycheck to paycheck on $350,000 per year. Simple. And a lot less painful than a $25,000 family losing $7500.
How do you figure? Do they have to lay off the nannies etc. for you? Who’s going to feed the nannies?
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Doesnt erase the debt, which 85% of them have.

People have different standards of living. Who are YOU to say how others should spend their own money? If there's no extra after paying living expenses and bills, they shouldn't have to pay tax regardless of how much they earn. Because, as you said... They have no money with which to pay.
You know what they owe not their net position. And some certainly took it because it was very cheap money with light payback.

People pay taxes first. They get to spend their net income after taxes not before. The poor don't get to decline to pay sales tax or a VAT because it causes them pain.

I don't care for taxes much either and I have paid a few million easily over the years. But it is a requirement of our society. And I think we could use a more efficient government and probably half or two thirds of the military we have.

But again you go where the money is and where the taxes cause less pain. And I would like to try some net asset taxes on money held off shore by American corporations or those who do big business here.
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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Because government employees don't work for free, so the money has to come from somewhere, so you tax it from people who have it
My goodness! This is disgusting to the core!!!
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