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Old 10-14-2017, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yes it is. Both coasts have rich liberals. Why aren't they adequately funding charity hospitals/clinics for the poor?
Because ultimately they believe in perpetuating there own wealth? Not a very leftist value.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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You simply go to a busy street corner with a sign and beg for money to pay for needed medical attention. If you feel too sick to do that, then beg for a friend or relative to do the begging for you.
Cities all over country are cracking down on panhandling. I guess if you're put into jail you might get lucky and get one of these places that gets inmates medical care.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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Is it morally acceptable to live in a society that tramples on the poor?
That’s absurd. What does a society do to trample the poor?

In American society, the poor stay poor because of their poor choices not because of the society. One only needs to look at Asians to know. Asians are the most discriminated race but they rank the highest in income.

I also suggest that as a society, we should voluntarily pool out obey together to help the poor.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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That’s absurd. What does a society do to trample the poor?

In American society, the poor stay poor because of their poor choices
Calvinism heavily influences american society.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Cities all over country are cracking down on panhandling. I guess if you're put into jail you might get lucky and get one of these places that gets inmates medical care.
Panhandling has been upheld as a 1st amendment right. Interfering with the movement of people while panhandling can be criminal, as can threatening or coercing donations, but simply holding a sign up asking for donations is legal in every City and State in the US
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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48% of all US births are paid by Medicaid. 43% of CHIP/Medicaid enrollees are under age 18. They're by far the highest percentage group in CHIP/Medicaid. The average cost for enrollees' benefits is $7,500/year. It's not low cost. At all
That money is not evenly distributed. Most goes toward things that happen in hospitals and high cost drugs, which for kids is super concentrated. The conversation about what we are or are not willing to spend as a society on healthcare for children whose parents are unable or unwilling to provide is not a discussion about responsibility but about the most extreme cases: when a baby is born that will need a long stay in a neonatal intensive care unit or has a severe and incurable genetic disease, how many hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars should the rest of society bear to keep them alive? A premature NICU stay can run into the hundreds of thousands, a single hemophilia or cystic fibrosis case into the millions. It's a far less comfortable question but it's the one that drives how much money is needed for the system.

Of course, no one wants to grapple with that, because of the heartlessness of saying, no, we won't save this kid or the brainlessness of asking taxpayers to put in 20,000 hours worth of work each year so a newborn can live out their 8,760 hours a year of life. Neither 'nothing' nor 'anything' are good choices here of what we should be willing to spend, and in refusing to look at the core issue most conservatives and liberals in effect end up taking on one of the bad extreme sides.
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Old 10-14-2017, 06:38 PM
 
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Panhandling has been upheld as a 1st amendment right. Interfering with the movement of people while panhandling can be criminal, as can threatening or coercing donations, but simply holding a sign up asking for donations is legal in every City and State in the US
In Lexington, KY they have an anti-panhandling van that gives panhandlers 'choice' of working cleaning roads and other tasks for $9/hour or are threatened with arrest. They copied it from something another city was doing.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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what year was he born?
1936
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Why did you start this thread?

Do you think your sometimes overt and sometimes passive aggressive attempts to get those who disagree with you to feel what you see as the guilt they need to feel is going to work.....ending up with changed minds?

Or do you want to get said people on the record in a centralized place that you can use in the future for purposes of demonizing them in other threads?

Why did you start this thread?
I atarted the thread because I wanted to see if people had any positive ideas on how to get health care to people who need it. I also wanted to know if people thought it was even necessary or not their problems. I wanted to get an idea of what kind of country people who don't think like me, want to live in.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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I atarted the thread because I wanted to see if people had any positive ideas on how to get health care to people who need it. I also wanted to know if people thought it was even necessary or not their problems. I wanted to get an idea of what kind of country people who don't think like me, want to live in.
Like I said, people should voluntarily pool our money together and assist the poor.

That is the proper solution.

Forcing other people at gunpoint to pay your health care is never moral, just or fair. It is evil and selfish to the extreme.
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