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Old 10-13-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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But didn't you hear? Now the insurance companies are all going to slash their rates and will be begging everyone to sign up by lowering their prices! Millions of people will be paying just a few dollars a month for cradle to grave coverage! It's the magic of the free market!
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...re-aca/521541/

So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die? If they are treated at a health care facility we pay through either a government reimbursement to the facility or through higher medical costs.
Do we take on the third work option of not allowing people to leave the hospital till their bill is paid?
I hear lots of stuff you don't like..be honest, what is your option? If it's just let them die, please have the guts to come right out and say it. Not my problem equals the same thing.
No, hospitals won't keep people longer, they just won't admit to services without proof of insurance/payment. ER's will be more clogged up. Medicaid covers those w/ very little assets, but a lot will slip through the cracks, those that are ineligible for Medicaid. And, Medicaid coverage ain't great (under 65), as they say. Pray to get to 65. Those w/ no insurance and severe pre-existing or chronic illnesses, or sudden illnesses will go to Hospice. Palliative and Hospice will be busier than usual, giving end of life care--mostly meds that will keep people comfortable.

If you have COPD and can't afford your meds or treatments, what do you do?
If you have a sudden dx of cancer and need surgery, chemo, radiation, what do you do?
If you have an exacerbation of a chronic illness requiring hospitalization, what do you do?

I see this issue as a moral ethical dilemma of the country, to "save" those w/ insurance and let the others die. It's a seriously morally challenged position to take, which scares me more than the insurance issue.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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That kind of thinking is EVERYBODY'S problem.

Might as well be totally honest, and just say "let them die."
Go ahead and pay their health care.

Who tries to stop you?
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There is no "solution" to health care short of either

A. A completely free market with zero regulation (my preference)

B. A completely government-controlled system where you are never billed no matter who you are

Anything less than either option results in complete chaos (what we have now).

The sooner you folks understand this the sooner it can be fixed.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by CCbaxter View Post
There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...re-aca/521541/

So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die? If they are treated at a health care facility we pay through either a government reimbursement to the facility or through higher medical costs.
Do we take on the third work option of not allowing people to leave the hospital till their bill is paid?
I hear lots of stuff you don't like..be honest, what is your option? If it's just let them die, please have the guts to come right out and say it. Not my problem equals the same thing.
You are assuming ACA is the answer for poor people, it isn't. I have a friend that was put on Medicaid and has since developed a blood clot. This month, her prescription for blood thinners was just shy of $3,000.00. Originally, she actually wanted to opt for a higher level of insurance, but according to the government she didn't make enough money. Now, she is stuck with a bunch of red tape and an inferior plan. She can charge the prescription and pay it out, but a truly poor person? They are probably dying as we speak.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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What do we do about healthcare for the poor?

Heck what do we do about healthcare for the struggling middle class?
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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So Medicaid and "not my problem" are the answers.

The proposed budget cuts Medicaid by a trillion dollars over the next decade. These people will move into the "not my problem" category.

Who pays the Emergency Room bills for those who show up with problems associated with unmanaged diabetes?

Who pays for cancer treatment for the woman who works at Walmart and as a CNA but not enough hours at either to get insurance?

"Not my problem" or hospice?
Right. Many will not qualify for Medicaid. And, of those who do, its' coverage is severely lacking unlike Medicare, which is pretty good.
Right again. ER's will be clogged beyond being able to give care. They won't be able to be admitted without insurance. Go home w/ a BG of 600 and die of Diabetic Coma (reality without meds or Insulin).
Diagnosed w/ Heart Attack, Stroke and need admittance, well out of luck. Go home to die. Referral to Hospice (or Palliative care). Sorry Charlie...
Right again. You can work 40 hours and insurance can be cost prohibitive. What then? Making too much for Medicaid eligibility.
Forget preventative care.
As far as the answer of "getting a good job," "buy good insurance," and "eat right and exercise." These people have no clue, how a health situation can escalate out of control--even w/ those w/ good resources. Job loss, insurance changes, larger co-pays, deductibles, inability to get insurance w/ pre existing.I only think they would have to go through something like this to learn about it. Unfortunately, they might only learn the hard way of what can happen...
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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I love all of the fake outrage in these types of threads.
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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I love all of the fake outrage in these types of threads.
Heh welcome to the fake outrage forum, errrrrr politics forum. Riiiiight
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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If everyone would just buy some of my Genuine Snake Oil (on sale for the low low price of $29.99 per bottle) healthcare would not be a problem because my elixir cures everything.
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