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no it is a typical liberal debacle.... great heart felt idea....p*** poor plan
FACT: in 1965 they said medicare would only cost 12 billion by 1990, it cost 3 billion to implement it in 1966
in 1990 medicare cost 107 billion
in 2000 medicare was 216 billion
in 2008 medicare was 456 billion
in 2016 medicare was 691 billion
what is even more interesting is what the predicted outlays will be in the future
in 2016 medicare was 691 billion
prediction for 2020....963 billion
prediction for 2026....1.383 Trillion
lets now add in Medicaid
Medicaid:
2000.....117 billion
2008.....201 billion
2016.....368 billion
actual Medicaid 2016.....368 billion
prediction for 2020....450 billion
prediction for 2026....616 Billion
so the prediction is medicare and Medicaid is expected to be over 2 trillion dollars is less than 9 years
that's just the GOVERNMENT costs of Medicare and Medicaid... and medicare/Medicaid covers less than 1/4 of our population.. on top of that you have the VA..and then what the PEOPLE are already paying for private insurance....do you really think multiplying the cost of medicare by 5 to cover 325 million people is so smart do you think the taxpayers can afford an additional 5-7 trillion dollars annuary....where do you think the MAGIC MONEY is going to appear from
ANYTIME the GOVERNMENT gets involved....it goes to crap
None of this matters. What matters is the people who are on Medicare love it and it works wonderfully. The figures you posted, if true, are due to the price of healthcare in this country not Medicare.
Again I ask you: Why do you want to kick old people off the only means of health insurance available to them?
It doesn't matter, until the do nothing congress tackles the real issues affecting health costs, they will keep escalating. It doesn't matter if you pay premiums and deductibles in the private market or taxes in some single payer program. The costs will overwhelm you and the system.
Unfortunately, many of the solutions require tough decisions and sacrifice. I don't know the answers but some random examples might be:
1. Tort reform. Multi-million settlements for malpractice? Sorry too expensive.
2. Reduction in fancy designer drugs for rarer afflictions. Got one of those rare diseases? Sorry, we can't afford $500M to develop a drug that would cost $100 grand per treatment.
3. Reduction in heroic measures to prolong life. What's the point of an extra six months of poor quality life? Sorry, too much, you'll have to check out a little earlier than planned.
4. Change in practices to allow nurse practitioners and physician assistants handle more. MDs are expensive, you'll need to make do some other way. The slight increase in something slipping by will be worth the savings.
5. Increase in med schools and training professionals. We need to attract more talent and drive up the labor supply to control costs.
6. Tax vanity surgeries, sorry it's ineffective to have the top medical talent pursuing the big money without really helping the general health and welfare of the population. That plastic surgery is going to cost double.
Point being, if costs weren't exorbitant and increasing no one would care if there were a single payer or private system - pay as you go would be affordable for most medical needs and catastrophic health insurance would be affordable.
I remember discussing #3 on one thread and, wow, people went nuts. They didn't want to entertain the idea of cost cutting w/ the very elderly. I've seen surgeries (multiple) on mid 90 to late 90 year olds. Surgeries such as brain surgery, MOH's, hip replacements, Carpal Tunnel surgeries, etc. Some of these people had very little quality of life, yet the docs did them. I wouldn't use the verbiage of "checking out earlier than planned," though--that's very callous to discuss people like that--these are people's grandparents, mothers, fathers. It's an ethical issue that needs to be discussed, though, in a responsible manner.
Forcing people to buy something is insane. So what is next? What else will we be forced to buy?
Next thing you know we'll be forced to believe in the same religion, forced to watch the same TV shows, music, etc. People think that this will never/could happen but by forcing health insurance on us is just the start. People are refusing to think/choose for themselves so the government is stepping in and doing it for them. And they are more then okay with it.
The "pre forced healthcare" days weren't working either. That's why we have the ACA. If we go back to the pre ACA days the problem will still exist. That solves nothing. People will still be unable to afford insurance and on top of that may not be able to get it in the first place.
In fact, much worse.
Once the ACA collapses the market will lose no time going on to the extravagant catastrophe we would have had.
Patty Murray has been working on a bipartisan fix to Obamacare for months. Trump isn't interested. Trump who made all the promises to bring health coverage to everyone and government would pay for it was exposed today by Steve Bannon:
the problem isn't about who promised something...could be the dems, the repubs, Obama, Hillary, or trump
the issue is:
the government (the taxpayer) cant afford any program like that...call it what you will singlepayer, uhc, etc
A shame the naive do not recognize hard nose negotiation tactics. Like several of President Trump's xo this one is conditional to on Congress not acting. The legislative branch is the law making branch. They have an opportunity to act within th constitution and make law. Will they? And, don't bother with the childish meme of Republican obstructionism. Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi can lead a bipartisan compromise legislative effort a well as Republican leadership. Just how many times have they gleefully announced a deal? They really can get to a deal, if they will compromise? Will they?
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Originally Posted by Seacove
Trump said on the campaign trail that he was going to make sure everyone has health care and the government's going to pay for it. Even Republicans are saying Trump lied.
“POTUS promised more access, affordable coverage,” Ros-Lehtinen tweeted. “This does opposite.”
2018 elections cannot come soon enough. Hopefully Democrats take the House and then work on 2020.
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
Every time someone says Obama said you can keep your plan, Democrats can list ALL THE LIES TRUMP HAS TOLD. They include:
Trump's plan will be better and government will pay for it
Trump won't allow Congress to take health care away
Trump will have many insurance plans and people won't lose coverage if they cannot afford it
And what about people with pre-existing conditions?
If we are going to reduce costs for those younger and stop paying for those older, we may as well go after Medicare next since Medicare recipients only pay a third of the benefits they receive.
A shame the naive do not recognize hard nose negotiation tactics. Like several of President Trump's xo this one is conditional to on Congress not acting. The legislative branch is the law making branch. They have an opportunity to act within th constitution and make law. Will they? And, don't bother with the childish meme of Republican obstructionism. Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi can lead a bipartisan compromise legislative effort a well as Republican leadership. Just how many times have they gleefully announced a deal? They really can get to a deal, if they will compromise? Will they?
That was not negotiation tactics, that is a full on broken promise. Bannon admitted yesterday that Trump's actions are deliberate to make prices skyrocket. It's on video, it's recorded anyone can see Bannon admitting/bragging about it.
Trump is so obsessed with Obama that he is trying to erase him very obviously. That's fine; Democrats will absolutely DELIGHT in erasing Trump and it will be our pleasure to do so.
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