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Well the issue is the merits that are in the GS. They have less value then BS such as the eagle scout is consider pride and joy vs GS version of it.
With that being said, nothing is safe anymore with any group. But if the venture group would have lower their age requirements, then families could have join them, as they are co-ed.
Because all the 11 years old kids cant be in close proximity of the opposite sex without screwing like rabbits? I thought scouting was suppose to be teaching them respect, self control, leadership and values?
How is it they are able to attend school together?
Sometimes girls and boys just need a break from each other. Their brains develop at different rates. Boys do better a lot of times at all boy schools, and they learn differently than girls. I think personally boys might just need a break. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...cs-abound.html
Although experience clearly affects the development and wiring of the brain, growing evidence suggests that gender also seems to be a contributing factor in brain development. In general, researchers agree that
Boys have a higher physical activity level and develop self-control later than girls.
Girls seem to show stronger verbal skills and demonstrate empathy more readily than boys Single-Gender Classes Can Respond to the Needs of Boys and Girls - ASCD Express 5.12
Why can't the girl scouts engage in all those activities your girls are chomping at the bit for?
Maybe its time for a change, an update in the girl's scouts.
Is it that they really want to be mixed in with boys while they do these things or is it just the activities they want to do? There are a ton of co-ed nature groups if they just want to compete with boys in the great outdoors.
Boys often have a hard time with girls around and lack performance and are self-conscious.
This is about males of any age having something for themselves.
This is the thing. Its ok if they do want that, just like any other group that wants it. There are many reasons for staying boy, girl.
Maybe have a choice of boy, girl or coed for those who want to mix it up.
This is just a way for the BS to increase their membership ranks after the decline due to the sex abuse cases- by poaching from the Girl Scouts.
As a GS co-leader of 2 troops, we do archery, camping, geocaching, robotics, kayaking and a ton of community service. You may not know what a Gold Award is, but college admission directors do. The only time we baked (cookies) was in an outdoor box oven over a campfire.
I can say that my troops like that its only girls, they feel free to be themselves, without "distraction."
The entire experience will change for boys, and girls. Boys can be very self conscious, and awkward around girls, and can get embarrassed easily of they make mistakes, or look foolish. This is unneeded, additional pressure on them. There will be no more male bonding, and male role model mentoring as it will have to be structured for girls also. We as a society are shooting ourselves in the foot. They are with girls all day at school. Why can't they have a little guy time?
Another decent American group hits the skids. Seems there's no hope for anything anymore. What part of BOY Scouts do they not understand! If they think the girl scouts isn't good enough, why don't they fix that instead of stealing the Boy Scouts. In a way, it's like the infiltration of mexicans and other 3rd worlders into white countries. Rather than fight to fix their own country's problems, they just steal ours. Whole thing disgusts me.
What's next?
Alcoholics Anonymous now serving beer at meetings.
I see no reason why scouting couldn't be co-ed. Within the organization, kids can choose which programs they participate in.
Can you provide a logical reason for why they should be split up?
If it is a private organization then whoever starts it does have the right to keep membership to whatever sector of society they so choose. I support that right.
I also think its good for both men and women to have a group and time where they can be with other members of their sex, including adolescents. We have different stresses, growing up is different for boys and girls, etc. So I think its advantageous for girls and boys to have a place where they can speak freely without fear of what the opposite sex might think of them.
The scouts should be the scouts, and programs should be open to all for the most part. I know what point you are making, and I see the argument you are trying to make.
"Girls only" programs are fine where they make sense (such as in education about areas where they are underrepresented).
I will also argue that "boys only" programs would also be fine in the same vein (such as in education about areas where they are underrepresented).
If you don't understand the point of those kind of programs, then I'm not sure I'll be able to convince you over the internet.
That said, all of this can (and I'd argue should) exist within the confines of the greater scouts organization. Splitting them up is inefficient, and also doesn't give as many opportunities to girls and boys. There's no reason boys should not learn about many of the things that are exclusive to the girl scouts (e.g. why shouldn't boys learn about cooking/baking?); and vice versa for girls being exposed to things unique to the boy scouts.
Ok. So what IS the point of those kinds of programs?
It's not that easy. I spend an enormous amount of time volunteering, and I'm currently the awards chairperson for our cub scout pack, in addition to being on a committee at our elementary school and running the concession stand for all the of Police Athletic League football games in our town. So it's not always a matter of involvement.
I tried to get involved in our local girl scout troop when we moved to NJ, and get them to do some more outdoor oriented activities. But the troop is already established, and the girls who are part of it are happy with it. Trying to get them to change was only going to ruffle the feathers of the leaders. The consensus was - let your daughters go to the cub scout pack meetings (which our pack allows - not den meetings, though), then enroll the girls in Venturers when they're 14. It sounds like things are different where you are, and that's great, but with a busy schedule and three kids, it's not always possible to drive to different towns, either.
Another thing to factor in is that cub scouts and boy scouts already have a very successful program. Why reinvent the wheel? The BSA has a wide range of facilities and campgrounds that can now be utilized for girls. Lastly, even though there's the Gold award for girls, is it really the equivalent of the Eagle? It certainly doesn't carry the same prestige. Ask 100 random people, and see how many can even name the award.
You're not reinventing the wheel. Making excuses as to why GS troops can't do these types of things is harmful to girls who want to do them. I guess I don't understand why its easier for a girl to go into Boy Scouting rather than just adding activities to an already existing GS troop.
And yes, the Gold Award absolutely is equivalent to the Eagle Scout Award. Only 5% of active GS are eligible for it and the steps/requirements needed to get the Gold Award are extremely similar to those needed for the Eagle.
So the argument is basically that Girl Scouts sucks and their top award isn't as well known so girls should be allowed in Boy Scouts.
Seems so.
So instead of working on the modernizing the GSA and publicizing the Gold Award, we'll just tell the girls that the GSA isn't good enough so they'll have to go over to the superior BSA. What kind of message is that sending?
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