Stating that obvious: Trump is sabotaging ACA so that he can force a plan on us that will be far worse (illegal, deaths)

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by petch751

Yea, the hell with people who can no longer afford healthcare insurance because you want to force us to pay for you.

Like Medicare? Where the working public pays two-thirds of the medical coverage seniors receive? Why not Medicare for all? Why should one demographic receive all the health coverage and the rest do without but pay for them? The initial recipients paid nothing and immediately received coverage. I don't see any Republican seniors eager to get rid of their Medicare. I don't see any Republican seniors happy to get a Paul Ryan voucher and go shop on the open market. They are all too happy having us be forced to pay for them. Let's have whatever Trump comes up with be the model for everyone including seniors.

[petch751]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

What the big problem people are facing is that every day to day health care services are going through the roof, and there doesn't seem to be any plans by the government to do something about it. There is a serious problem when some rich POS can buy the patent of a drug, or a new CEO is named head of a pharmaceutical company, and they can raise the rates on life saving medicine by 300%, and not have to worry about any consequences.

Exactly, and instead of tackling the issue of health care COSTS! Democrats and Obama chose to focus on insurance... exactly how would that have solved the healthcare cost issue? Democrats took us backwards instead of forward and now the insurance issue needs fixed first instead of being able to focus on healthcare cost.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by don1945

Yeah, the Hell with those 21 million people who finally could afford HC. We got ours, why should we worry about the have-nots in this world !

Great post there bi-partisan Don. Tell us again how presidents can't control oil prices, unless they're going up and the president is Republican.

[JimRom]

If he is trying to kill the ACA, he isn't doing it fast enough.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd

ACA is already imploding with the sky rocketing premiums and big deductables while some states are losing their providers and in others the subsidies are drying up.
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[petch751]

Originally Posted by Seacove

Like Medicare? Where the working public pays two-thirds of the medical coverage seniors receive? Why not Medicare for all? Why should one demographic receive all the health coverage and the rest do without but pay for them? The initial recipients paid nothing and immediately received coverage. I don't see any Republican seniors eager to get rid of their Medicare. I don't see any Republican seniors happy to get a Paul Ryan voucher and go shop on the open market. They are all too happy having us be forced to pay for them. Let's have whatever Trump comes up with be the model for everyone including seniors.

Well while we are at it and you're worried abut one demographic receiving healthcare while the rest of us pay for it, we should include Medicaid. At least with people receiving Medicare, those people paid into it while they worked unlike people receiving Medicaid, many of who have been on the tax payer take all their lives.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by petch751

Exactly, and instead of tackling the issue of health care COSTS! Democrats and Obama chose to focus on insurance... exactly how would that have solved the healthcare cost issue? Democrats took us backwards instead of forward and now the insurance issue needs fixed first instead of being able to focus on healthcare cost.

The only way to address health care costs is to take it out of the private market. Whenever a service such as health coverage is in a private market, the profits must increase year over year or it is a failing business. Ask any stock analyst. Health coverage is not like car insurance because there are alternative modes of transportation. We don't have spare bodies. So a person with a debilitating illness has no choice but to pay costs that are ever-increasing year over year. All publicly held companies must report increased earnings year over year. They have zero incentives to reduce costs when they must report to shareholders.

[LKJ1988]

I just want the fine to go away. Don't care what he does otherwise.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by petch751

Well while we are at it and you're worried abut one demographic receiving healthcare while the rest of us pay for it, we should include Medicaid. At least with people receiving Medicare, those people paid into it while they worked unlike people receiving Medicaid, many of who have been on the tax payer take all their lives.

Let's do it. End coverage for everyone, take away Medicaid, give Medicare recipients a voucher (that voucher will likely get them a hip replacement at Walgreens) and then put health coverage to a vote. Take it all away and then let's vote. Sure, there will be some deaths in the interim but when did that ever body "health care is not a right" Republicans? It's laughable that Republicans oppose abortion but once the child is born, they don't care if the child has no money to see a doctor.

[NY_refugee87]

Originally Posted by ambient

What to do when your own healthcare plans suck balls and everyone knows it?

Improve your plans so that they offer reliable coverage across the American population spectrum? Nah...that would be "socialism."

Instead, let's sabotage ACA! Lots we can do to destabilize the thing and make premiums skyrocket. Then our ****ty plans will look better by comparison and we can force people into submission.

The net result will always be one and the same: tens of millions losing coverage and a proliferation of crappy coverage options that allow insurance companies to bend you over and **** you hard if you actually get sick.

Because here in America, we value our "freedom" to "choose" NOT to have quality coverage if we get hit by a car, get cancer, or have a heart attack! God forbid we lose that important right!

ACA has real flaws that could use fixing, but Republicans have never had ANY answers to improve healthcare, because their naive free market principle approaches fundamentally don't work for healthcare. Never have, never will.

OK you admit to bad plans. (Baby steps, you're taking a step in the right direction)
Start looking at it with open eyes...

The subsidies gone, now means the insurance companies have lost their meal ticket.
Consider the following.
The subsidies allowed the insurers to become more wealthy
I'm pointing out the major flaw in ACA, and that was not placing cost caps on insurance plans, the companies were floated with your dollars, my dollars, all of our dollars through asinine premium increases, and through the whole you need to pay X,000 dollars per year out of pocket before insurance coverage kicks in.

Folks, that's not insurance. The premiums my friends/cousins pay being married and having kids, 25-35, depending upon plans range from 12k in deductibles to 25k in deductibles, to be met, every calender year before insurance coverage kicks in. It was never about care, it was about insurance, ACA was, is, and always will be a scam.
This allows insurance company A to not be liable for covering big expenses and profit more from your/our premiums.

All Trump is doing, is doing all of us a favor and hopefully speed up getting the government's over reach out of health insurance. I'm absolutely for this. The less intrusive a government the better.

Let this go down as a lesson, one that has cost us all, that this is what happens when you let the government meddle with services and products that it did not create, sell, or develop.
The tax for not having insurance, do you really think that was necessary? I dont, it's cheaper to pay the tax, and claim you don't have insurance to be treated.
It allowed hospitals and insurance companies to buy up the smaller companies, to rake in big bucks at our expense.

This is a blessing, it really is.

I remember what I paid pre ACA. Premiums were 35 per week. No deductibles. Had Co pays. They weren't killer. Emergency room was what... 90? 100? Perscription medicines were 20/50 dollars... and PCP visits were 25 per visit. Few days after ACA passed, my provider called me and gave me the option to stay with what coverage I had, which wouldn't be guaranteed to be available for long, at around 1200 per month or drop and take what was available in the exchange or through my employer.
COBRA was 900 per month!
What I got from work, living in NY at the time was an Empire Blue silver plan 90 dollars per week, 2,000 per year deductible, perscription medicines pfft, may as well not have had any insurance what so ever...
It would only be worth it if I weren't healthy and had something like diabetes or cancer or had a major accident... Keeping your doctor. Pfft. My PCP wouldn't accept my insurance any more. And PCP visits that once we're 25 per visit, were now no longer covered until I had met my deductible. Where is the logic in that? Go for this or that, and be charged 200 300 dollars for a half hour visit...

Claim you don't have insurance, well do you have cash credit or debit? That visit now is 50 60 70 80 opposed to 200 300 for having insurance.

It's ridiculous, a feel good legislation and meddling in affairs that are the responsibility of the citizens, and choice at that, of the citizens of the country.

Sorry, not sorry, that the fallacy of ACA is being dismantled. I'm all for this.
The problem never was about care, quality of care, or access to care. The problem was the mandatory you need to have insurance for I said so. And allowing corporate interest to supercede the citizens best interests.

Serious question to any who are 25-35 with kids, married or not.
How many of you have 12-25k in cash socked away for your deductibles? Or were you planning to take loans out? If so, how was ACA beneficial if it reduced your buying power forcing you to take loans?

Let ACA die, and take a more proactive, non partisan approach, and let the public decide what's more important.

A democrats legacy with mandatory insurance required, being held at the mercy of the insurance companies.
Their privelege to choose what they want need and purchase for health insurance and not be penalized if they choose to not want insurance.

The net result will always be one and the same: tens of millions losing coverage and a proliferation of crappy coverage options that allow insurance companies to bend you over and **** you hard if you actually get sick.

That is the price to be paid when you allow the government to meddle in free will, and let insurance companies put profits before your interests. Let that be a lesson to us all. We allowed it to get that far out of control, and only have politicians and brainwashed by feels cult, to thank for it.