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Yea, the hell with people who can no longer afford healthcare insurance because you want to force us to pay for you.
You ain't paying for me, bud, I can afford my own. I also realize I am part of a bigger picture than myself, so if I have to pay a little extra for the benefit of a whole group, I am happy to do it. It is called living in a society.
Obamacare is NOT AFFORDABLE! And more and more people "WHO DON'T GET SUBSIDIES" are losing their insurance because they can't afford it because premiums rose so high after Obamacare was enacted. Whats going to happen?
CRASH! No one will have insurance.
I'm not sure what is so hard for you to understand. Hey, you ignored us then, why would I be so surprised you continue to ignore us.
Nope. Not unless you work 3 hours a week at the local 7 Eleven and have 4 kids to feed, then you'll get all the help in the world. But responsible adults who went to college and worked hard for their benefits at a company, practiced safe sex due diligence are punished for doing the right thing the whole time.
Like really, it's despicable how the single, successful and childless person is treated in society today. We have to pay the brunt of insurance and taxes, and I think it's time we take a stand.
Let's do it. End coverage for everyone, take away Medicaid, give Medicare recipients a voucher (that voucher will likely get them a hip replacement at Walgreens) and then put health coverage to a vote. Take it all away and then let's vote. Sure, there will be some deaths in the interim but when did that ever body "health care is not a right" Republicans? It's laughable that Republicans oppose abortion but once the child is born, they don't care if the child has no money to see a doctor.
Why does health insurance and care have to come to a vote? Why???
Why do you want government intervention in everything???
Get the government out of it! NEVER to return again to meddle with matters pertaining to citizens free will and choice. Seriously. Make it an act of treason to ever intervene in a harmful way ever again.
Want affordable insurance plans?
Let the markets operate freely. Don't like the prices company A quotes you, look at companies B, C, D, E. To socialise debt is an utter failure. Try spreading the wealth instead of the debt.
I simply want to make an agreement with an insurance company without any government interference. I should be free to bet them that I will someday get sick and they should be free to offer me a plan based on my risk and my risk alone that I will get sick. No other entities need to be involved and they don't need to know the details.
Why does health insurance and care have to come to a vote? Why???
Why do you want government intervention in everything???
Get the government out of it! NEVER to return again to meddle with matters pertaining to citizens free will and choice. Seriously. Make it an act of treason to ever intervene in a harmful way ever again.
Want affordable insurance plans?
Let the markets operate freely. Don't like the prices company A quotes you, look at companies B, C, D, E. To socialise debt is an utter failure. Try spreading the wealth instead of the debt.
Because we realize that if we did what you propose only heathy people would get care.
You ain't paying for me, bud, I can afford my own. I also realize I am part of a bigger picture than myself, so if I have to pay a little extra for the benefit of a whole group, I am happy to do it. It is called living in a society.
OK you admit to bad plans. (Baby steps, you're taking a step in the right direction)
Start looking at it with open eyes...
The subsidies gone, now means the insurance companies have lost their meal ticket.
Consider the following.
The subsidies allowed the insurers to become more wealthy
I'm pointing out the major flaw in ACA, and that was not placing cost caps on insurance plans, the companies were floated with your dollars, my dollars, all of our dollars through asinine premium increases, and through the whole you need to pay X,000 dollars per year out of pocket before insurance coverage kicks in.
Folks, that's not insurance. The premiums my friends/cousins pay being married and having kids, 25-35, depending upon plans range from 12k in deductibles to 25k in deductibles, to be met, every calender year before insurance coverage kicks in. It was never about care, it was about insurance, ACA was, is, and always will be a scam.
This allows insurance company A to not be liable for covering big expenses and profit more from your/our premiums.
All Trump is doing, is doing all of us a favor and hopefully speed up getting the government's over reach out of health insurance. I'm absolutely for this. The less intrusive a government the better.
Let this go down as a lesson, one that has cost us all, that this is what happens when you let the government meddle with services and products that it did not create, sell, or develop.
The tax for not having insurance, do you really think that was necessary? I dont, it's cheaper to pay the tax, and claim you don't have insurance to be treated.
It allowed hospitals and insurance companies to buy up the smaller companies, to rake in big bucks at our expense.
This is a blessing, it really is.
I remember what I paid pre ACA. Premiums were 35 per week. No deductibles. Had Co pays. They weren't killer. Emergency room was what... 90? 100? Perscription medicines were 20/50 dollars... and PCP visits were 25 per visit. Few days after ACA passed, my provider called me and gave me the option to stay with what coverage I had, which wouldn't be guaranteed to be available for long, at around 1200 per month or drop and take what was available in the exchange or through my employer.
COBRA was 900 per month!
What I got from work, living in NY at the time was an Empire Blue silver plan 90 dollars per week, 2,000 per year deductible, perscription medicines pfft, may as well not have had any insurance what so ever...
It would only be worth it if I weren't healthy and had something like diabetes or cancer or had a major accident... Keeping your doctor. Pfft. My PCP wouldn't accept my insurance any more. And PCP visits that once we're 25 per visit, were now no longer covered until I had met my deductible. Where is the logic in that? Go for this or that, and be charged 200 300 dollars for a half hour visit...
Claim you don't have insurance, well do you have cash credit or debit? That visit now is 50 60 70 80 opposed to 200 300 for having insurance.
It's ridiculous, a feel good legislation and meddling in affairs that are the responsibility of the citizens, and choice at that, of the citizens of the country.
Sorry, not sorry, that the fallacy of ACA is being dismantled. I'm all for this.
The problem never was about care, quality of care, or access to care. The problem was the mandatory you need to have insurance for I said so. And allowing corporate interest to supercede the citizens best interests.
Serious question to any who are 25-35 with kids, married or not. How many of you have 12-25k in cash socked away for your deductibles? Or were you planning to take loans out? If so, how was ACA beneficial if it reduced your buying power forcing you to take loans?
Let ACA die, and take a more proactive, non partisan approach, and let the public decide what's more important.
A democrats legacy with mandatory insurance required, being held at the mercy of the insurance companies.
Their privelege to choose what they want need and purchase for health insurance and not be penalized if they choose to not want insurance.
That is the price to be paid when you allow the government to meddle in free will, and let insurance companies put profits before your interests. Let that be a lesson to us all. We allowed it to get that far out of control, and only have politicians and brainwashed by feels cult, to thank for it.
This is ignoring reality. Republicans are blissfully forgetting that the premise for Obamacare was that insurance premiums were skyrocketing, those with pre-existing conditions could not get ANY coverage and many many many would pay years for coverage, get an expensive illness and the insurance company would cancel them and call their illness a pre-existing condition. Stop pretending health coverage was wonderful. It absolutely wasn't.
So the issue is the mandate? Fine. Let's remove the mandate from Medicare. Some people die before they reach the age of 65 so why shouldn't Medicare be a choice? Then those that didn't participate or didn't contribute enough are out of luck. Sound good? Because the premise of reducing costs is for everyone to pay. Obama wanted a public option. He wanted to give people a choice. That was not what was able to pass in Congress. Trump said he would cover everyone and government will pay. Has that passed in Congress? Whose fault is that?
Republicans Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were selling Romneycare in 2006 as the Republican answer to health coverage. They insisted on a mandate and said it was personal responsibility. So let's remove all mandates including Medicare and see how long it lasts.
The OP is correct. Whatever Trump does now will be worse for the pre-65 elderly, sick and poor.
You ain't paying for me, bud, I can afford my own. I also realize I am part of a bigger picture than myself, so if I have to pay a little extra for the benefit of a whole group, I am happy to do it. It is called living in a society.
We couldn't afford to pay have to ACA we fell into a part of it that was over looked and while I more then understand wanting to be a part of society not everyone can afford to pay. Even though we still pay for others. The idea of being forced to pay for insurance is B.S plain and simple.
The ACA is a disaster that has been imploding since the day it was passed.
The "subsidies" that Trump just ended were intended to "prop it up" ...but they were never passed by Congress and are therefore illegal. They were done by an Obama illegal E.O. Since they were done by E.O., Trump can legally end them by E.O., which he did.
I simply want to make an agreement with an insurance company without any government interference. I should be free to bet them that I will someday get sick and they should be free to offer me a plan based on my risk and my risk alone that I will get sick. No other entities need to be involved and they don't need to know the details.
Oh, Shifty.
The Rainmaker is a great movie. It tell the story of what insurance companies do when we are all negotiating on our own. It's well worth watching if you haven't seen it.
If the could get away with it, insurance companies would be denying steady paying customers coverage left and right.
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