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Old 10-28-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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We can allow anyone reading to decide. You need to provide it before you can disagree with me. You've provided nothing for anyone to decide.
I'm using the $10 you paid in taxes and giving it to the guy on the porch. He's decided he likes it.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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This is workable.

That guy we're paying to sit on his porch like Frank noted...he likes this alternative. He's fat and happy.

You entered into this agreement at birth. You consent by not leaving.
Right, nothing.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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I'm using the $10 you paid in taxes and giving it to the guy on the porch. He's decided he likes it.
Again, you are what you complain about. A complaint without a solution is just a whine.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Right, nothing.
Nothing for YOU.

But the guy on his porch is happy.

I don't understand why you get to decide the level of services you get. You've already consented by flying out of a vagina. Sucks to be you I guess.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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We can allow anyone reading to decide. You need to provide it before you can disagree with me. You've provided nothing for anyone to decide.
Here's what I'm getting at...It places all the burden of proof on the peaceful people, when the burden of proof should be on the people who want to violate people's rights. We should be the ones saying "prove that statism is necessary, and if we're not convinced then you don't get a state". Unfortunately we're the minority and can't enforce that yet.

It's the same as arguing with someone who says "well you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so you need to follow his commands". The burden is on that person to prove it, not for us to prove that he doesn't exist.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Again, you are what you complain about. A complaint without a solution is just a whine.
Are you telling me the ends don't justify the means?

That's not what you were promoting earlier.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Here's what I'm getting at...It places all the burden of proof on the peaceful people, when the burden of proof should be on the people who want to violate people's rights. We should be the ones saying "prove that statism is necessary, and if we're not convinced then you don't get a state". Unfortunately we're the minority and can't enforce that yet.
Plus we can't "ask" for compliance at gunpoint.

Get a lot of "correct answers" when a gun is pointed at your head.

Ever notice that?
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Plus we can't "ask" for compliance at gunpoint.

Get a lot of "correct answers" when a gun is pointed at your head.

Ever notice that?
What gun? I don't see a gun.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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Here's what I'm getting at...It places all the burden of proof on the peaceful people, when the burden of proof should be on the people who want to violate people's rights. We should be the ones saying "prove that statism is necessary, and if we're not convinced then you don't get a state". Unfortunately we're the minority and can't enforce that yet.

It's the same as arguing with someone who says "well you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so you need to follow his commands". The burden is on that person to prove it, not for us to prove that he doesn't exist.
Because there are very, very, very, few interested in no state, not even you........the idea that there should be is what created the country to start with.

I can argue that we should spend trillions in trying to colonize Pluto but I'm not going to get anywhere because I have no workable plan to do it or enough people even interested.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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Are you telling me the ends don't justify the means?

That's not what you were promoting earlier.
The only real thing I've promoted is the proven idea that you are unable to provide a better alternative. It goes this way every time.
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