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Old 10-22-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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Deny people the ability to defend themselves? You really hate your fellow man. Better get that anger checked out.
Except for the fact that using guns to defend yourself is rare and that suicide and accidental death from guns is more prevalent.

You don't need guns to have a healthy society. Other modern countries have proved that.
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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And it's not too complicated why our Constitution gave us the 2nd:
First of all, that occurred 150+ years after our Constitution was written. Second, you really think Mary Sue and Skeeter are going to be able to bring down the largest Military Industrial Complex in the world with their assault rifles??? What happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco? You cannot compete with the US Military. Like the Jews, disabled, gays, gypsies would not of been able to fight off the Nazis. Yes, there would be small victories but they would still be gassed and killed by the millions.
FAIL!

Were there 525,000 people at Ruby Ridge or Waco?

If one out of ten Jews were armed, Germany would have faced an army of 50,000.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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The restrictions need to be national in order to be effective. California can ban and regulate ti'l the cows come home but when Nevada next door has a free for all on guns it won't work. I say ban the private ownership of bullets. People can go to ranges to shoot. Yes, I know bullets can be made but this will lower the ability of the average American to gun down others in movie theaters, malls, elementary schools, concerts, churches, synagogues, temples, workplaces, military installations, colleges, tourists traps, public transportation, highways, dowtowns, cities, suburbs, etc...
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Your stats are for crime but we have 33,000+ gun deaths a year. Yes, firearms are a plague on our society. You argue that things are good b/c more people die from heart disease. Really? More guns in society will equal more gun deaths. Period.
Yet, You are the person that advocated there were no borders so you would have to make your utopia worldwide.

Yet, you are the guy that talks about Trump and the NRA being fascists but you want to disarm the population so the only people who have guns are who you consider fascists?

Makes no sense.

With one breath you talk about Republicans, NRA, Trump and the spread of fascism and how to stop it, then with another suggest the people give their weapons to the people that are who you consider fascists?

Are you some kind of masochist or what?
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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At the gas station down the road from me, when the man with the knife jumped into the woman's car, the combination of her actions and gun ended with him being taken by helicopter to the hospital.

I'd certainly say the gun was quite important to her safety.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/w...bber-in-crosby
Thays one story. And yea, it hits you emotionally, but look at grander scheme of things and guns are killing more people than saving.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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Except for the fact that using guns to defend yourself is rare and that suicide and accidental death from guns is more prevalent.

You don't need guns to have a healthy society. Other modern countries have proved that.
Suicides are suicides.

Swimming pool accidents kill more kids than gun accidents.

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after what is most deadly first? Why skip swimming oools? Oh yeah, politics.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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FAIL!

Were there 525,000 people at Ruby Ridge or Waco?

If one out of ten Jews were armed, Germany would have faced an army of 50,000.
Sure, against 13 million soldiers. Your fantasies are just that...
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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Thays one story. And yea, it hits you emotionally, but look at grander scheme of things and guns are killing more people than saving.
One of a ton of such stories.

A gun is a safety device in my home.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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FAIL!

Were there 525,000 people at Ruby Ridge or Waco?

If one out of ten Jews were armed, Germany would have faced an army of 50,000.
Except the 50,00 Jews armed would be outnumbered by millions of Nazi sympathizing Germans, so don't see your logic here.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Sure, against 13 million soldiers. Your fantasies are just that...
Most people who are being taken to the gas chambers would take those much improved odds and fight.

Others would make the decision to join the Nazis as a helper to eradicate their own.

In that situation, would you willingly board the train, help the Nazis or try to get a weapon to fight? Which would you do?

I bet I don't get an answer.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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Except the 50,00 Jews armed would be outnumbered by millions of Nazi sympathizing Germans, so don't see your logic here.
Would you board the train, fight or become a sympathizer helping eradicate your own?
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