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Old 10-22-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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Workingclasshero is correct.... Median means 1/2 are above and 1/2 are below. Looks like 59K is the median.
I know I misread it when he first mentioned it. But he is wrong to think the guy in the video is not lying to the students.
It is difficult to talk about this topic since much is speculation since the plan is still being worked out, but I don't see why people can't be honest and just say trump's view benefit people who have more money over people that have less.

The alternative is just a different type of scam.

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Old 10-22-2017, 09:52 PM
 
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Low income families get tax credits because they can't afford to raise their children with their income.

...The problem is that increasingly more people can't get living wages.
Why are such persons reproducing? They shouldn't be having children they cannot afford to raise.
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Old 10-23-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Why are such persons reproducing? They shouldn't be having children they cannot afford to raise.
So you think economic prosperity should be the decisive question for reproduction. Look at america or europe, their populations would be diminishing if it wasn't for immigration. S. Korea and Japan's populations are reducing and they are killing themselves in the process. The purpose of the economy is to serve people, not for people to serve the economy [that of a few at the top].

It is not a virtue to admire people like the walmart family, or bezos of amazon. Walmart became so big they could destroy small businesses, amazon has so much money they can operate at a lost and buy businesses they have bankrupted. That is anti-social behavior, but everyone goes along with it.

The problem begins and ends with corruption. Anyone who is to benefits even a little just ignore it. If there is a corporation [lets just say Wells Fargo] that is accused of money laundering and fraud. They hire a fancy team of lawyers, the case take years and at the end they just pay a small fine. Now say a regular guy is struggling economically and can't find a job, then he start selling a plant [marijuana] that can easily be grown anywhere. The guy is caught and jailed for 10 years.

Wages work the same way, through a complicated legal-economic system that every one accepts, some clever people get paid a lot, some barely make it alive. To let wages be control by capitalism is no better than slavery. Socialists are just as corrupt. Neither works for everyone, but people support the one that support their particular situation better.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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So you think economic prosperity should be the decisive question for reproduction.
In the absence of artificial monetary assistance, yes.

Or would you prefer the following?

48% of all US births are paid by Medicaid. In a country that only has a 13.5% poverty rate. The US Census Bureau has determined that, consistently, women on public assistance as a group have a birth rate 3 times higher than those not on public assistance.

Anyone who understands compounded population growth projection will understand that this is a recipe for disaster. It's mathematically unsustainable. Period.

I'll give an example of the future consequences using the following formula (compounded population growth projection) and values, given the rate ratios we already know (non-poor : poor = 1 : 3), after a time period of 50 years (roughly, the time span of two generations), and using a small sample size for the sake of making an easier comparison.

The formula is:

present value x (e)^kt = future value

where e equals the constant 2.71828..., k equals the rate of increase (expressed as a decimal, e.g. 5% would be 0.05), and t is the number of years (or other unit, as long as it is the same as k) over which the growth is to be measured.

Given: 100 births/year. 52 non-poor. 48 poor.
k for the non-poor = 1% = 0.01
k for the poor = 3% = 0.03

Non-poor population after 50 years: 85.73
Poor population after 50 years: 215.12

They began at:
Non-poor: 52%
Poor: 48%

And after 50 years of population growth given the rate ratios we already know, that results in:
Non-poor: 28.5%
Poor: 71.5%

Do you recognize the problem for society that presents?

The percentage of the US population that cannot support themselves and their dependents will increase exponentially, while those paying taxes will be increasingly unable to pay enough to support them all.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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Poor people are having more children than non-poor therefore in the future there will be a lot more poor people.

Your train of thought is flawed. And you completely missed my point. Poverty is an social phenomenon, consequent of social circumstance.

Medicaid is a social program, just like education. The same way you raise your children (if you have any), the government assist people who are not productive citizens, but will hopefully be in the future.

Poverty will not increase because poor people will continue to have children, but because wages will increasingly fail to provide families with living standard.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Poor people are having more children than non-poor therefore in the future there will be a lot more poor people.

Your train of thought is flawed. And you completely missed my point. Poverty is an social phenomenon, consequent of social circumstance.

Medicaid is a social program, just like education. The same way you raise your children (if you have any), the government assist people who are not productive citizens, but will hopefully be in the future.

Poverty will not increase because poor people will continue to have children, but because wages will increasingly fail to provide families with living standard.

Because the democrats teach the victim of your own identity mentality. Just as you have done here.
There is too much opportunity to make something of yourself... If you want it. It is not going to come to you, the victim.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Because the democrats teach the victim of your own identity mentality. Just as you have done here.
There is too much opportunity to make something of yourself... If you want it. It is not going to come to you, the victim.
I have never voted in my life, so I don't support neither ideology.

Saying social programs are good, is not making a victim of myself.

You people are detached from reality.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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I have never voted in my life, so I don't support neither ideology.

Saying social programs are good, is not making a victim of myself.

You people are detached from reality.


You seem to be wrapping your fantasies around reality.
Social programs are great, when run from charity and good people volunteering their time and money to a good cause.

If government has to subsidize it, the 16th amendment allows them to kill me and take my stuff, because someone demands it is good for me.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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A social program like birth expenses is very different than an artificial program like assisting people with food stamps which is like picking up the tab of a private business that fails to pay a living wages.

It seems people unconsciously support eugenics. In other words if you are clever enough to make money you can live, if not you must die. It doesn't matter that technologies and human knowledge has the means to provide for everyone. People's thinking is being reduced to nothing more than animals instincts.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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A social program like birth expenses is very different than an artificial program like assisting people with food stamps which is like picking up the tab of a private business that fails to pay a living wages.

It seems people unconsciously support eugenics. In other words if you are clever enough to make money you can live, if not you must die. It doesn't matter that technologies and human knowledge has the means to provide for everyone. People's thinking is being reduced to nothing more than animals instincts.

You keep giving the man a fish.

I want to teach him how to fish for himself.

If I do that, the democrats will no longer be able to call him a victim, as now he is proud and would be ashamed to take the fish you want to give. At that point, you want to take his fish from him, to give to someone else, to keep him a victim..
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