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Big govt federal social programs such Social Security, food stamps and welfare have become dependent on the money changing crony capitalist/corporitist welfare state. This makes much more difficult and risk laden for the middle class to be sustainable financially secure without being a part of wall st crony corporatism in one way or another than it should be.
Socialism is based on constantly transferring earnings to others, whether they have earned them or not. Socialism is actually trickle down economics via crony-capitalism.
Ignorant liberals with socialist leanings like to say that paved roads and public schools are forms of socialism when they are not. They are merely services that are provided on a local city and town state level funded by the budgets of the respective places through tax revenue of the citizens themselves in the areas that are served. This is not socialism at all. Socialism is based on security blankets that were bought with other people's earnings who may possibly never have to use them or feel the effects of them on a local level. It doesn't make sense if you live in Minnesota to have to buy the citizens of Alabama security blankets, nor should they have to buy you yours.
When you get to the Federal level that is when it starts to become socialism and the problems of unaccountability start to happen. It becomes taxation without representation and this creates dysfunctional socialistic government. The bigger the population that uses principles of the crony capitalist/socialist welfare model, the more chance that adverse effects will occur such as corruption and deficits. This has been happening exponentially to the country for decades.
Look at a place like Cuba or North Korea, they may call themselves socialist but are full of crony-capitalism which funds their socialist models. There is also very much corruption. These are small nations who able to perpetuate their money changing as opposed to large and heavily populated cities and states in the U.S. who continually run out of other peoples's money with their socialist crony-capitalist welfare models.
The people who continually push for more socialism in the U.S. are inadvertently or possibly even consciously and nefariously pushing for a more crony-capitalistic/corporitist welfare state and are very dangerous to the economy in general.
For every cause there are adverse effects, Crony Capitalism and Corporatism are the adverse effects of all types of socialistic and welfare bail-out policies the U.S. has ever created, like it or not. Investing in stocks has become nothing more than investing in crony capitalism.
"corporitism is a product of of socialisism". OK, then. I think I've had enough Internet for today.
A true conservative believes in the Constitution (as originally written, not as historically bastardized by SCOTUS), free markets (as envisioned by Adam Smith, but destroyed by the banking cartel), and States’ Rights.
Not one leading candidate in either party fits the bill.
If someone makes a living from being a spokesman/salesperson for a wall st corporation that cares more about their bottom line, stock prices and nickel and diming the middle class and they pay into SS through doing so are their contributions of any real value as opposed to the plumber or electrician who actually does produce something for their work that may not be just a number to a corporation?
If someone makes a living from being a spokesman/salesperson for a wall st corporation that cares more about their bottom line, stock prices and nickel and diming the middle class and they pay into SS through doing so are their contributions of any real value as opposed to the plumber or electrician who actually does produce something for their work that may not be just a number to a corporation?
Careful, now. You're approaching the labor value concept, and that's borderline socialisist thinking. (Marxisist, specifically.)
US is a mixed economic system, and has elements of capitalism and communism. As such, Americans often lack the understanding of what real capitalism and communism is, and only confuse themselves and others when discussing matters concerning the topic. This is why I vow to disengage from discussing communism/capitalism with Americans. Things work best when Americans focus their energy on working hard and watching sports and maybe drinking beer when they get home. For many, this leads to a more rewarding, productive and happy life than concerning themselves with petty topics like capitalism vs communism.
Things work best when Americans focus their energy on working hard and watching sports and maybe drinking beer when they get home.
I can get behind the working hard and drinking beer parts of your platform, but can we make this "watching sports" thing optional?
Also, agree on the mixed-system comments. All successful systems are, and people arguing for either extreme of the spectrum should, if possible, be kept away from power.
US is a mixed economic system, and has elements of capitalism and communism. As such, Americans often lack the understanding of what real capitalism and communism is, and only confuse themselves and others when discussing matters concerning the topic. This is why I vow to disengage from discussing communism/capitalism with Americans. Things work best when Americans focus their energy on working hard and watching sports and maybe drinking beer when they get home. For many, this leads to a more rewarding, productive and happy life than concerning themselves with petty topics like capitalism vs communism.
Says the assuming faux-intellectual socialist living in the armpit of the U.S., Michigan. Why bother responding to things you faintly understand. If you are not American and have little experience as an American, according your own words and attitude, apparently, then how can do you fathom what an American commonly is or thinks? From heresy and propaganda? You think living in Michigan represents the economy of the U.S.? It represents some the worst aspects of the economy. Fishing and beer drinking is your solution to dysfunctional socialist based crony-capitalism? These are the things that made Detroit a dump.
Assuming elitists are the worst types of socialists. That would probably be you. Try living in a dozen different states with all different demographics and get back to me. Or maybe don't respond to topics you have no real. comprehension of.
Let me ask you this, what does it say for the state of Michigan, which is very close to some very big lakes, that it can't even get safe drinking water to its residents in the 21st century? It is surrounded by lakes an the west, north and east and they cant even provide clean water. Shameful and broke elitist state with no working common sense.
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Says the assuming faux-intellectual socialist living in the armpit of the U.S., Michigan. Why bother responding to things you faintly understand. If you are not American and have little experience as an American, according your own words and attitude, apparently, then how can do you fathom what an American commonly is or thinks? From heresy and propaganda? You think living in Michigan represents the economy of the U.S.? It represents some the worst aspects of the economy. Fishing and beer drinking is your solution to dysfunctional socialist based crony-capitalism? These are the things that made Detroit a dump.
Assuming elitists are the worst types of socialists. That would probably be you. Try living in a dozen different states with all different demographics and get back to me. Or maybe don't respond to topics you have no real comprehension of.
Belittling others based on where they choose to live? All credibility is lost right there. Not wasting my valuable time on whatever else you think or believe.
Belittling others based on where they choose to live? All credibility is lost right there. Not wasting my valuable time on whatever else you think or believe.
You belittled Americans telling they should be drinking beer and fishing just as any common pretentious snob of crony-capitalist enablers and participants may have. What does that say for you? You think that what you believe is better than what other people believe?
You reply to a thread with no useful or informative input whatsoever and someone think your opinion is relevant to the thread when you have said nothing of any insightful value. Strange.
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