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Old 10-23-2017, 06:36 AM
 
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The damage that Trump is doing to the presidency may be irreparable. Not only has Trump totally undermined the moral authority of the presidency, he is the process of destroying its institutional authority.

Rubin's opinion that generals should be barred from serving in civilian capacity has merit if it is aimed by active generals and not retired generals. As I recall, Congress has a law that before a general can serve as Secretary of the DOD, he needed to be retired for five years.

Trump has ceded much authority to his appointed generals. Since Trump has NO concept of civilian control of the military and its importance to our republic, Trump is tearing it at the seams.

I can't honestly say who controls who in the Tumor administration. Does Trump control the generals or the generals Trump?

This should be a concern to everyone.
You are 100% wrong in your thinking, the hate going eat you up
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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The damage that Trump is doing to the presidency may be irreparable. Not only has Trump totally undermined the moral authority of the presidency, he is the process of destroying its institutional authority.

Rubin's opinion that generals should be barred from serving in civilian capacity has merit if it is aimed by active generals and not retired generals. As I recall, Congress has a law that before a general can serve as Secretary of the DOD, he needed to be retired for five years.

Trump has ceded much authority to his appointed generals. Since Trump has NO concept of civilian control of the military and its importance to our republic, Trump is tearing it at the seams.

I can't honestly say who controls who in the Tumor administration. Does Trump control the generals or the generals Trump?

This should be a concern to everyone.

Agreed. The troubles in the Trump White House are not caused by the generals, they are caused by Trump.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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Kelly made it clear when he started that he would not be controlling Trump as that was outside the scope of his mission as well as the realm of possibility.

Instead, he would be controlling the flow of information, directing a more orderly WH operation.

For a time, he added a veneer of sanity. Many were comforted by the thought that he would intervene if Trump tried to launch nuclear weapons.

Alas, he's revealed himself as just another lying lackey.
Those who seem to be 'entertained' by the idea this is just another instance of Mr. Trump 'raising his middle finger' to yet another American family should think twice.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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So now the left thinks military service should disqualify buoy from serving in the White House




Keep it up lefties
Those are your only 'thoughts' OP?
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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What is with some of you people Kelly is not a general. Kelly is a civilian. He has taken off his uniform and is proudly serving his country in a civilian capacity. The same with Mattis and other retired military officers who are serving the president.
Actually, no. Kelly is still very much "General Kelly." Says so on his mail, says so on his military ID, says so on his monthly retirement pay check (it's not a pension, it's "reduced pay for reduced service"), just like mine continues to bear my rank. We all still maintain our rank into retirement
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:41 AM
 
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Did I single anyone out? All news....next...
As in repeal, no replace. C'mon you can do better than that.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:43 AM
 
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But generals are the least politicized of anyone who has been in government for a decade or two.
How so?

"And Kelly, now in a civilian role, certainly should not be permitted to deploy his military service record, no matter how admirable that may have been, to deflect criticism and shut up the press."
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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From the piece: "Kelly should be replaced by someone who actually understands democratic governance and can deliver bad news and honest criticism to the president."

Thoughts:

1) You don't get to the rank of 4 Star General by being a "yes" man. And what about General Kelly makes the author think he doesn't understand democratic governance/can't deliver bad news or honest criticism to the president?? Military leaders, as subordinates to civilian leadership who serve at the pleasure of a democratically-elected president (regardless of whether the POTUS of from the party of their liking) are uniquely familiar with democratic governance.
The problem is that ultimately the general is a "yes, sir" man with regard to the president. He has lived his life the say way I did: You go into the commander's office and you give him your best advice. When he throws it back at you, you say, "Yes, sir," walk back outside and say to the troops, "This is what the commander wants, and it's a fine idea.


That's been the lot of the military since for at least 4,000 years (even fully documented in the Bible in 2 Samuel 24).
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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What is with some of you people Kelly is not a general. Kelly is a civilian. He has taken off his uniform and is proudly serving his country in a civilian capacity. The same with Mattis and other retired military officers who are serving the president.
I wrote that we should be concerned about active generals not retired generals serving in civilian capacities. Kelly retired from the military only 8 months ago. Mattis received a dispensation from Congress to serve because of the National Security Act of 1947 prohibited him from serving as secretary of the DOD for a period of 7 years.

I am not arguing that these people are not competent or patriotic, merely that generals and recently retired generals have an inordinate amount of power in the Trump administration. My concern is about civilian control over the military.
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Old 10-23-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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I wrote that we should be concerned about active generals not retired generals serving in civilian capacities. Kelly retired from the military only 8 months ago. Mattis received a dispensation from Congress to serve because of the National Security Act of 1947 prohibited him from serving as secretary of the DOD for a period of 7 years.

I am not arguing that these people are not competent or patriotic, merely that generals and recently retired generals have an inordinate amount of power in the Trump administration. My concern is about civilian control over the military.
The problem with a recently retired general is that he has too many active connection with the military, and may even have engineered entering the civilian position while still in the military.
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