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If you're saying that you continued to challenge your commander out in front of the troops, I don't believe you.
That's not what I'm saying; ultimately, whether someone here believes me is irrelevant to me. And, indeed, such behavior is not acceptable as a general matter, but that's true regardless of whether you're military or civilian . . . your civilian boss will be just as likely to chastise you for "challenging" them in front of others. Thus, these attempts at distinctions are a bit puzzling to me.
Ultimately, though, I still repose the question: what makes you think Kelly is a "yes, man?"
That's not what I'm saying; ultimately, whether someone here believes me is irrelevant to me. And, indeed, such behavior is not acceptable as a general matter, but that's true regardless of whether you're military or civilian . . . your civilian boss will be just as likely to chastise you for "challenging" them in front of others. Thus, these attempts at distinctions are a bit puzzling to me.
Ultimately, though, I still repose the question: what makes you think Kelly is a "yes, man?"
My point is that ultimately when the general leaves the Oval Office and faces the public, he's either going to support the president or say, "I have resigned."
Agreed. The troubles in the Trump White House are not caused by the generals, they are caused by Trump.
I must agree.
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
The problem is that ultimately the general is a "yes, sir" man with regard to the president. He has lived his life the say way I did: You go into the commander's office and you give him your best advice. When he throws it back at you, you say, "Yes, sir," walk back outside and say to the troops, "This is what the commander wants, and it's a fine idea.
That's been the lot of the military since for at least 4,000 years (even fully documented in the Bible in 2 Samuel 24).
My point is that ultimately when the general leaves the Oval Office and faces the public, he's either going to support the president or say, "I have resigned."
My point is that such behavior is no different from how a straight up civilian employee of the federal government will behave. There is no difference in that regard. When you are employed and answerable to an individual, you're not going to go out there spewing a narrative counter to said individual. Well, you can do so, but it's pretty clear what will happen to you if you do so.
Like Ms. Sanders?
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders warned reporters not to criticize Kelly (or his slander of Wilson), the administration took on the creepy aura of a military junta."
“I think we’re all fair game,” Petraeus said on ABC’s “This Week.” He added: “We, in uniform, protect the rights of others to criticize us … we are fiercely protective of the rights of our Americans to express themselves, even if that includes criticizing us.
So now the left thinks military service should disqualify buoy from serving in the White House
Keep it up lefties
The Leftists are so entertaining - the first articles against Retired Generals joining the Trump Administration began in November 2016 and ramped to full steam in December of 2016. It appears that never in the history of the USA has so many Generals been appointed to an Administration. Some are "the Generals will save us" and some are "the Generals will destroy us". The Leftists are in their usual Spin Zone.
Some of the more recent Articles about President Trump's "Generals" Trump's general-filled Cabinet — a 'team of allies' — risks groupthink - TheHill - 12/13/16
Trump Has Appointed More Generals in His Cabinet Than Any President Since World War II - Democracy Now - 12/16/16
The Generals In Trump's Cabinet Aren't “Adults In the Room”- Inthesetimes - 3/7/17
The Generals Can't Save Us From Trump - The New York Times - 7/28/17
Military figures are taking over Trump's administration – ThinkProgress - 8/3/17
Too Many Generals In Trump Administration? « Breaking Defense - 8/7/17
Generals Take Over Trump Cabinet -- Not Without Consequences - GlobePost 8/7/17
Military leaders consolidate power in Trump administration -Washington Post - 8/22/17
Why it's dangerous to have so many generals in the Trump Cabinet - Washington Post - 4/17/17
Let’s not staff a White House with generals ever again-Washington Post - 10/22/17
There is another whole group of articles about how the "Generals" are doing Day Care Duty to "save" America.
President Trump Administration
General (Marine Corps) John Kelly retired from Active service in January 2016 -
President's Chief of Staff, formerly Secretary of Homeland Security
General (Marine Corps - 4 star) James Mattis "retired" from Active service in 2013 (forced out by Obama)
Secretary of Defense
Lt General (Army - 3 star) H.R. McMasters still on Active duty
National Security Advisor
One of the things about the Leftists that amuses me the most is the way History begins on the day a Republican President is elected and the Democrats lose power. Looks like President Obama is still leading President Trump in the Flag Officer stakes. Don't you all remember those constant articles about the "danger of the Generals" during the Obama Era??
President Obama Administration
General (Army 4 star) Eric Shinseki - Chief of Staff, US Army 1999-2003 - retired 2003
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs - 5 years, appointed 2009
General (Marine Corps 4 star) James Jones - retired 2007
National Security Advisor - served 2009 - 2010
Admiral (Navy) Dennis Blair - retired 2002
Director of National Intelligence - January 29, 2009 – May 28, 2010
Lt. General (Air Force 3 star) James Clapper
Director on National Intelligence - August 9, 2010 – January 20, 2017
General (Army 4 star) David Petraeus - retired 2011
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency - 2011-2012
General (Marine Corp 4 star) John Allen - retired 2013
Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 2014-2015
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