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Old 10-24-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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Yea we actually do.
no, we actually dont.
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Yea we actually do. You wanna tell me what other large projects they have successfully executed in the 100s of millions of dollars range? No?
Donald Trumps organization only employees a dozen or so individuals, but they wouldnt be able to list many contracts in the hundreds of millions of dollars either, considering they are owners of many many other corporations that do indeed execute larger contracts.

Again we just dont know enough about the contract, or the individuals hired in order to judge.

 
Old 10-24-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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My opinion is that this company doesn't have the background, experience or knowledge to actually complete the task. And when companies don't have the background, experience or knowledge, it's a quagmire of cost over-runs and mistakes that the taxpayers and utility customers have to pay for.
You've changed my opinion around.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Oink, oink. Pork.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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I dont think you understand how sub-contracting works.

My wife is contracted by a major Medical institution and works from home, yet she is not an employee of the company. She receives a 1099 and pays her own taxes and medical insurance. She provides a service for that company but is not an employee.

I am a contractor contracted out to the government, my company pays me, via what the government pays them....I know plenty....
 
Old 10-24-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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So long it gets repaired, does it really matter who's doin the work?
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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I have no problem with a small company getting the contract. What boggles me is, all 280 employees on the island dont even work for the company. They’re all sub-contractors.

Seems like a profitable money grab for whomever issued the contract if you ask me.
You realize that lots of businesses use sub contractors.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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Because you are focusing on "2" people.


And you keep busting there balls because you think they don't have the experience...


"You see", well, do tell, who have they hired and what experience do those 280+ people have rebuilding electrical structures. Because you don't see, means nothing.


In Aviation contracting there are many distributers who do no work but bid on contracts to overhaul parts, then they sub the contract out to people they know can do the work...it happens, I can name 4 companies of the top of my head that do just that for Army Aviation overhauls...
On this, will note that I agree the size of the permanent workforce of a company is no indication of how well a contractor they are. I've had many general and prime contractors who have a small permanent staff but who were excellent at managing the subcontractors.

However, this company is very young and very inexperienced. Unless the principals have a breadth of experience, especially with dealing with federal contracting processes/procedures, it would be a bad idea to contract with them as a prime/general contractor due to lack of experience.

Again, I think you are thinking of this from a vendor/contractor perspective and you may not be aware of the lengthy administration process involved in the federal procurement process in particular.

All workers on federal projects have to adhere to the Davis Bacon Act, which I'm sure as a contractor you may be familiar with. Monitoring all the workers and submitting certified payrolls and them being subject to audit (by a reputable agency BTW not thinking that PREPA is reputable) would mean they would have to have someone dedicated to doing this alone. I was initially hired in the government procurement world to handle auditing and compliance duties related to federal projects, so I know how laborious this can be and how many new contractors like this group, have no idea of the bureaucracy that they have to endure by being a contractor of this magnitude. FWIW I've had a very lucrative career in being a consultant myself, mostly with helping contractors create winning proposals and implement compliance programs that are required for federal contractors. Again, most contractors don't know how much they have to do for these very large projects and it makes no sense that PREPA wouldn't invoke the mutual aid agreements to simplify the process.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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I am a contractor contracted out to the government, my company pays me, via what the government pays them....I know plenty....
You don't know what your company does to adhere to their contract if all they are doing is paying you and you are not involved with the administration piece of the contract.

FYI - federal government in particular has a lot of requirements for businesses to follow and if they don't the principals and/or executives and even upper management of that company can be indicted and imprisoned for improper use of government funds.

Even though our dear leader Trump can bypass ethics laws, most procurement professionals and contracting specialists know better because we've seen people go to prison or have their professional careers ruined over very trivial matters when it comes down to it. Two of the positions I've had before I came to those organizations because the entire procurement staff was fired over ethics violations. The executive was imprisoned for a year. Those of us who value our freedom and work in this field need to know better and do better. But again, I don't blame the contractor (though they also stand to be imprisoned as being a general contractor over subs, means that the general has the responsibility of ensuring the subs meet all government requirements) I blame the head of PREPA.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:17 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Fluor Industries just won a nice contract to restore electricity to PR. It appears quite a lot of this work has been awarded.

Probably because Texas is a Red state

Texas company awarded $240M contract in effort to restore power to Puerto Rico – Caribbean Business

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SAN JUAN – The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE), in coordination with the Huntsville Engineering & Support Center, has awarded a $240 million contract to a Texas company to repair Puerto Rico’s electric grid.

Irving, Texas-based Fluor Corp. won the second major contract awarded by USACE. The first awarded was for $35.1 million to Weston Solutions, to provide power generation at the Palo Seco Plant.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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We actually dont at all know that for a fact..
Actually we do.

This company was formed in 2015. And they earned $200,000 in 2016. So when are you thinking they've handled a project of this scale?
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