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Old 10-24-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by residinghere2007 View Post
I know a lot about government contracting and this looks very suspicious, even if it actually isn't some sort of patting you on the back sort of deal, it is costly and inept for a territory that is strapped for cash. Per the original source - WaPo, the officials hired this new, inexperienced company instead of using the cooperative mutual aid agreements that are usually used in situations like this to restore power. WaPo noted, that that was how power was restored so quickly in TX and FL.

Any experienced, competent, contracting specialists would have never entertained this sort of deal IMO. It would inevitably (like it has) cause some sort of challenge or media scrutiny would ensue and the director or whoever was in charge, would be fired and potentially jailed. You can justify "exigent" circumstances or an emergency in cases like hurricanes/natural disasters in the contracting world that would enable you to quickly hire people to get the job done, but it doesn't make sense not put in a call to the states in the mutual aid agreement nstead to see if they can assist with this work. It would more than likely be cheaper to use the cooperative aid agreements as well.

From the Washington Post:

As I, and this does not look suspicious, people are undercut all the time in when biding...happened to my company, the other company underbid the crap out of us....who do you think got the contract?


The contracting specialist has parameter's to go by...normally lowest bid (contract dependent of course). Lets also remember, there appears to be other bids, this company could get there when needed.


True story, an Aviation part needs overhauled, 1st company bid, 90M for a 5 year contract, 2nd company, 80M....3rd company 30M....same contract same number of years....guess who got the contract to overhaul Critical Safety Items for Army helicopters...

 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So a company with 2 employees and annual revenue of 1 million dollars gets a contract worth 1/3 of a billion dollars to take on a huge massive project? Oh, and the CEO personally knows interior chief

Yeah, this stinks like a rat

https://govtribe.com/vendor/whitefis...c-whitefish-mt

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/24/pue...to-ryan-zinke/

You don't understand how federal bidding works on contracts, that is for sure.
The checks and balances are what take so long to get a bid approved.

How many sealed bids did they get? That would be one of the first questions I ask.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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more conservative apologists for corruption

Prove it's corruption....I'll wait...
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Now there are 280+...why ya mad?
Where do you get "mad" from my posts?

This is a company that was created in 2015. In 2016 they earned $200,000. When Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, this company had a total of 2 employees. While they might have a background in working in difficult terrain, I don't think that that is enough to deal with the challenges of rebuilding the electric grid and infrastructure in Puerto Rico. I'm aware, as well, that it's customary for contractors to take a 15% cut when giving jobs to sub-contractors. With Whitefish having only 2 employees, it's likely everything will have to be subcontracted out. That's a $45 million windfall for Whitefish. While in the meantime I see no evidence that they have the experience or knowledge to actually rebuild Puerto Rico's infrastructure. As others have pointed out, this is not just running power lines. This involves assessing where the power lines will be most efficient. This involves licenses and permits, federal and local rules and guidelines. This involves logistics on a scale I can't see that these two Whitefish employees have the background for.

I hope they surprise me. But I suspect we'll see delays and cost overruns and mistakes, due to their lack of experience and the issues of dealing with an environment they are not familiar with.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Anyone have the actual solicitation number?
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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Have a funny feeling that "Whitefish" is going to be a common household name before this is all over.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Where do you get "mad" from my posts?

This is a company that was created in 2015. In 2016 they earned $200,000. When Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, this company had a total of 2 employees. While they might have a background in working in difficult terrain, I don't think that that is enough to deal with the challenges of rebuilding the electric grid and infrastructure in Puerto Rico. I'm aware, as well, that it's customary for contractors to take a 15% cut when giving jobs to sub-contractors. With Whitefish having only 2 employees, it's likely everything will have to be subcontracted out. That's a $45 million windfall for Whitefish. While in the meantime I see no evidence that they have the experience or knowledge to actually rebuild Puerto Rico's infrastructure. As others have pointed out, this is not just running power lines. This involves assessing where the power lines will be most efficient. This involves licenses and permits, federal and local rules and guidelines. This involves logistics on a scale I can't see that these two Whitefish employees have the background for.

I hope they surprise me. But I suspect we'll see delays and cost overruns and mistakes, due to their lack of experience and the issues of dealing with an environment they are not familiar with.

Because you are focusing on "2" people.


And you keep busting there balls because you think they don't have the experience...


"You see", well, do tell, who have they hired and what experience do those 280+ people have rebuilding electrical structures. Because you don't see, means nothing.


In Aviation contracting there are many distributers who do no work but bid on contracts to overhaul parts, then they sub the contract out to people they know can do the work...it happens, I can name 4 companies of the top of my head that do just that for Army Aviation overhauls...
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
more conservative apologists for corruption
When there's corruption, let us know...
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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They didn't get to dole out cash for patronage and take their cut like they did when Obama was King.

Having a company from Montana is much better than a Swamp based company and they'll do a great job no doubt.


any facts to go with your conjecture?
 
Old 10-24-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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So much for draining the swamp. They are EXPANDING the swamp!
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