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Old 10-29-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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this is nothing new here, the russians, chinese, europeans, japanese, middle east, etc. have all been trying to influence US elections. and the US has been trying to influence their elections as well. but there is only so much that can truly be done by a foreign power to influence our elections. yes they can put money into advertising for o against a particular candidate, but we are equally free to ignore such ads.

ok so the russians might have wanted trump to be president for what ever reason, but the chinese wanted slinton to be president, again for what ever reason, s those efforts basically canceled each other out.
Everybody tries to influence everybodies elections. America is really a major player in that realm. Look at Ukraine.

 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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[quote=dashrendar4454;49931519]So the only way someone could have voted for Trump
Over Hillary is because they were manipulated by Russia?

No, the Russians did not influence a lot of people who voted for Trump, those people already had their minds made up and would not have been swayed no matter what was said about Trump. We see evidence of that right here, on this forum. Some of you are so in bed with Trump that the blinders are on, and you will go to your grave drinking his Kool Aid.

The people that we are talking about here were on the fence. They were open to considering Hillary or Trump, they just needed more information to help them make that decision. What the Russians did (very cleverly) was to put out so much negative information about Hillary, and they bombarded social media and other sources of information, that a lot of people formed the opinion that Hillary was corrupt and was out to do horrible things if she got in office. If you repeat a lie enough times and loud enough it becomes believable.

There is irrefutable proof that the Russians engineered a program directed to hurt her and help him. No question about it. Just how much damage it did, no one knows, but it did influence some people.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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So the only way someone could have voted for Trump
Over Hillary is because they were manipulated by Russia?

No, the Russians did not influence a lot of people who voted for Trump, those people already had their minds made up and would not have been swayed no matter what was said about Trump. We see evidence of that right here, on this forum. Some of you are so in bed with Trump that the blinders are on, and you will go to your grave drinking his Kool Aid.

The people that we are talking about here were on the fence. They were open to considering Hillary or Trump, they just needed more information to help them make that decision. What the Russians did (very cleverly) was to put out so much negative information about Hillary, and they bombarded social media and other sources of information, that a lot of people formed the opinion that Hillary was corrupt and was out to do horrible things if she got in office. If you repeat a lie enough times and loud enough it becomes believable.

There is irrefutable proof that the Russians engineered a directed program to hurt her and help him. No question about it. Just how much damage it did, no one knows, but it did influence some people.




What are the articles?



Where is the proof they swung voters?


How come Hillary's billion dollar campaign and the mainstream media couldn't combat a few articles?
 
Old 10-29-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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LOTS of "what-abouts" in this thread. That's a common Russian troll tactic, easily spotted because such posts have a uranium-like glow about them...
 
Old 10-29-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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What are the articles?



Where is the proof they swung voters?


How come Hillary's billion dollar campaign and the mainstream media couldn't combat a few articles?

Here, let's take this little example. Let's say I start a campaign to smear you. I take out ads, go on every social media site you frequent, and I say you are a child molester. I say it often and I make up stories about how you spend a lot of time on child porn sites.

Some people will discount it, but there is going to be that certain percentage of people who think "He couldn't say it if it wasn't true." You can bet that a year from now, there would still be people who look at dashrendar a little oddly and wonder if it was true.

It is hard to disprove a negative.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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Here, let's take this little example. Let's say I start a campaign to smear you. I take out ads, go on every social media site you frequent, and I say you are a child molester. I say it often and I make up stories about how you spend a lot of time on child porn sites.

Some people will discount it, but there is going to be that certain percentage of people who think "He couldn't say it if it wasn't true." You can bet that a year from now, there would still be people who look at dashrendar a little oddly and wonder if it was true.

It is hard to disprove a negative.





You still didn't post any articles, proof it was the Russians that created them, and proof they swung voters from Hillary to Trump



You also ignore the numerous advantages that Hillary had, and the negative coverage of Trump.

Maybe Hillary should run again on this "stolen election" narrative. Since so many libs Buy nto it
 
Old 10-29-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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When quoting someone please make sure you take care when cutting out part of their post (which you shouldn't do BTW).
Beginning in post 12 incorrect quoting caused all subsequent quotes to be formatted incorrectly.

Instead of fixing it I'm opting to just close it.

Please be more careful.
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