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Old 10-26-2017, 09:50 PM
 
Location: moved
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His position in immigratuon is not moderate? How?
The moderate position is that immigration is an enormous national boon and advantage. Immigration is the #1 ingredient that made possible American preeminence in the 20th century. It is truly staggering to behold, what percentage of scientific, technical, artistic and business-contributions are from the non-native-born, and their immediate offspring. If you permit me a brief episode of silliness, I'd propose that for purposes of national competitiveness, all American residents be expelled after say the 3rd or 4th generation.

So then, the moderate position would be, to grab the largest possible share of the world's talented people. And step #1 would be to offer a path to citizenship for the foreign students in America's graduate schools. We educate them, bestow on them a PhD, and a swift kick up the behind. In a word, sad.

And what about illegal immigration? Surely illegal border crossing is a crime. So is trespassing. So is shoplifting. So is prostitution. And on and on. We can't just condone criminal behavior - as moderates. But we must also be moderate in our censure. Some crimes just aren't very serious. Why then magnify them into a national emergency, as if they were an epidemic, and a top priority for resolution?

The American heartland is emptying out. We need immigrants to repopulate those decaying neighborhoods. That is the moderate position.

 
Old 10-26-2017, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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GOP will gain several in 2018. Great map.
If the economy remains decent, the Pubs will no doubt clean up.

If there's any economic unpleasantness in the next year, they'll be in the hurt locker.
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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What Hillary really meant to say was, "I imploded." But she has to deflect onto everyone else all the time.
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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What Hillary really meant to say was, "I imploded." But she has to deflect onto everyone else all the time.
Ok, I'll bite. How was she "deflecting?"
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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Meh, these things go in cycles.

It wasn't but a couple years ago and all the far left posters were on here crowing about how a Republican could never again win the presidency......and then couldn't even beat the orange buffoon.

Democrats will rebound, they just need to make some adjustments.

Repubs need to make changes too but it will be easier for them as they can jettison Trump and ride that as a rebranding.

Prying Hillary's hands off the steering wheel when the DNC bus is packed full of her goons ready to deliver a beat down is going to be MUCH harder.
of course they can, but not anytime soon I feel


the Democrats havent' learned a single lesson from 2016. They are still acting the exact same way


Hillary Clinton is still one of the leaders of the party, and that is how most liberals want it
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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Ok, I'll bite. How was she "deflecting?"
Hillary still doesn't understand why she lost and has been blaming basically everyone but herself, her own words, and how she chose to campaign. She is severely out of touch. She's so bitter she hasn't been able to keep her mouth shut.
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Hillary Clinton: The Republican party is ‘imploding’ | New York Post

This is why she lost. She has zero political intuition.

Actually, the Republican party is at levels it hasn't been for generations and we have won the past several national elections, most importantly the 2016 one, in which you were defeated.

Going forward, your party is scandal ridden and cannot win anything, so don't be so confident. My prediction is that the Democrat party, already at its (rightfully) lowest point in decades, will only continue to go lower. You are a filthy criminal and everyone knows that, and those who don't know, will know very soon.

Sorry, hon, but your political intuition isn't very good!
Hundreds of others who are outside the GOP see it the same way Clinton does.
The fact is, a party often implodes when it is at its highest.
When the Democrats controlled everything, lock, stock, and barrel, it began to implode. When the Whigs ran the show as completely, it imploded so much the party disbanded.

But is the GOP implosion beginning? That's a question that only the future can answer.

The Republican party is deeply fractured by internal divisions. That's obvious to everyone, inside or outside the party.

But if the Republicans have the will to stay together as Republicans, and repair their divisions, they can do it. But only they can. No one else can do it for them.

If one faction would rather triumph over the other than to stay united, the Republican party could split in half and each could go its separate way just as possibly.

Would a split increase the party's long-term success? Or decrease it? Who knows? Only the voters would settle that question in time.

But it's a given that the Democrats, the Libertarians, and all the other parties will make as much hay as they can while this split isn't decided. They won't wait until the divisions in the GOP are healed, either. Voters who are not satisfied with their party's direction are always the easiest to pick up by the other parties.
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Hillary still doesn't understand why she lost and has been blaming basically everyone but herself, her own words, and how she chose to campaign. She is severely out of touch. She's so bitter she hasn't been able to keep her mouth shut.
Was she asked about why she lost? Because if not, it wasn't a deflection.

(note; the stellar journalism from the New York Post, which isn't even worthy of being toilet paper seeing as it's already covered in ****, did not provide any context for those comments. It simply said she said it in an interview: no addressing what she was asked and no link leading to more context... you're basing your accusation of her off of **** journalism and you should feel like **** for it)
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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Was she asked about why she lost? Because if not, it wasn't a deflection.

(note; the stellar journalism from the New York Post, which isn't even worthy of being toilet paper seeing as it's already covered in ****, did not provide any context for those comments. It simply said she said it in an interview: no addressing what she was asked and no link leading to more context... you're basing your accusation of her off of **** journalism and you should feel like **** for it)
You're being too literal. Think less literally and more generally, how she has been behaving.

She talks about others and doesn't even realize her colossal failures.
 
Old 10-26-2017, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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You're being too literal. Think less literally and more generally, how she has been behaving.
Ok; when you're asked a question, you should answer it. Was she asked a ****ing question about why she lost her campaign? No. Or if she was, direct me to it.

You're wrong. That's the end of this conversation. Do not tell me to not get bogged down with the "literal" because you're literally incorrect. She wasn't deflecting. She was answering a question.
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