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Old 10-30-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Police Department Race and Ethnicity Demographic Data

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Whites dwarf blacks in participation in fighting crime.
Now, I don't wonder why whites think they fight crime and blacks and Hispanics commit crime after the facts I have listed. What I wonder is how we can get more blacks into the protection business and out of the criminal business.

It doesn't matter how we got here, it matters how we get outta here. We need to work on what we represent as a whole if we want to have a better reputation. Or, just stop caring.

 
Old 10-30-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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As someone that lived and interacted with LOTS of black men and women for a good portion of my life in Gorgia, I will say that while there are many social factors that contribute to this phenomenon, there is undoubtedly a genetic factor as well. No honest person could deny that.

Since there is nothing that can be done about the genetic factor, we focus on the social factors that are a direct result of the original genetic factor.

People will point out that it's an intelligence thing. I do not believe this is a huge factor or maybe even a factor at all. I've known way too many extremely intelligent black men and women. I have always seen it more as a hormonal or personality thing. Black men and women are simply bigger risk takers than other races on average much like men are bigger risk takers than women on average.

I remember growing up with a neighbor kid that had been adopted at birth by white parents. His parents were the epitome of good parents. Both parents were also teachers. Their kid by age 13 was having sex with multiple girls, would fight you at the drop of a hat over nothing, and stole anything that wasn't tied down. He had a brother that was the biological child of his parents that was literally a carbon copy of his parents and never did anything wrong his entire childhood. The adopted child wen't on to become a college graduate and became coach at the same HS his adoptive dad coached at. It looked as though he had outgrew his destructive behavior, that was until he was eventually arrested for sleeping with a student.

This obviously is anecdotal evidence, but it's not as uncommon of a story as one might think. I have a similar story involving a white kid that was adopted too. My point is that we put far too much weight into social factors while completely disregarding genetic factors because we don't like the truth.
 
Old 10-30-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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As someone that lived and interacted with LOTS of black men and women for a good portion of my life in Gorgia, I will say that while there are many social factors that contribute to this phenomenon, there is undoubtedly a genetic factor as well. No honest person could deny that.

Since there is nothing that can be done about the genetic factor, we focus on the social factors that are a direct result of the original genetic factor.

People will point out that it's an intelligence thing. I do not believe this is a huge factor or maybe even a factor at all. I've known way too many extremely intelligent black men and women. I have always seen it more as a hormonal or personality thing. Black men and women are simply bigger risk takers than other races on average much like men are bigger risk takers than women on average.

I remember growing up with a neighbor kid that had been adopted at birth by white parents. His parents were the epitome of good parents. Both parents were also teachers. Their kid by age 13 was having sex with multiple girls, would fight you at the drop of a hat over nothing, and stole anything that wasn't tied down. He had a brother that was the biological child of his parents that was literally a carbon copy of his parents and never did anything wrong his entire childhood. The adopted child wen't on to become a college graduate and became coach at the same HS his adoptive dad coached at. It looked as though he had outgrew his destructive behavior, that was until he was eventually arrested for sleeping with a student.

This is obviously is anecdotal evidence, but it's not as uncommon as a story as one might think.
I grew up in the burbs and knew a white kid who did 15 years for selling drugs.

WTH?
 
Old 10-30-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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I grew up in the burbs and knew a white kid who did 15 years for selling drugs.

WTH?
The law of averages.

Blacks will commit more crimes and engage in destructive behavior at a higher rate than other races with all things being equal. I'm simply pointing out that I believe there is a genetic factor to said behavior and described a story that is not all that uncommon as an example.

If you don't buy this, I would suggest looking it up. Yes, black children with adoptive parents of other races are still more likely to wind up in prison. You can choose to believe this is because of racism or you can choose to believe it's because of a genetic factor. I personally believe it's a little of both. I by no means dislike any man or women by the color of their skin, but I accept this to be true.

Is what it is (shrugs shoulders)
 
Old 10-30-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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....for reasons that any reasonably competent social scientist should be able to discern; foremost among them, the fact that whites and blacks don’t actually encounter each other randomly throughout the population, as if we were evenly distributed throughout the communities where we live. We still tend to live in relative isolation from one another, such that whites do not actually encounter blacks at a rate commensurate with their overall share of the population, and blacks do not encounter whites at a rate commensurate with our share, either. Because of ongoing residential and spatial isolation, the rates of interracial encounter are far less, for both groups, than this.
"Our share"? Tim Wise isn't white. But he definitely makes sure he doesn't "encounter blacks at a rate commensurate with their overall share of the population" in Memphis, where he lives. He isolates himself in a neighborhood with almost no blacks.
 
Old 10-30-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Old 10-30-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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" Perhaps blacks should look to jews as an example"

And Italians!
The black culture encourages behavior that leads to poverty and high crime. Unwed motherhood is encouraged, drugs are glorified, gangsta life is glorified, disrespect towards authority is glorified. Getting an education and trying to better yourself is seen as acting white. Successful black peopLe are demonized as uncle Toms or rented negros. Calling the police to report a crime in their neighborhood is seen as being a snitch.

Until other black people (especially musicians. Celebs, athletes) call out the behavior listed above nothing will change.
 
Old 10-30-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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The black culture encourages behavior that leads to poverty and high crime. Unwed motherhood is encouraged, drugs are glorified, gangsta life is glorified, disrespect towards authority is glorified. Getting an education and trying to better yourself is seen as acting white. Successful black peopLe are demonized as uncle Toms or rented negros. Calling the police to report a crime in their neighborhood is seen as being a snitch.

Until other black people (especially musicians. Celebs, athletes) call out the behavior listed above nothing will change.
Actually, inner city hood rat culture espoused by many Blacks living in those areas is destructive. There are alot more Blacks getting education, not doing drugs, actually bettering themselves, or are carrying on their parents legacies of doing well for themselves than their are hood rats. The hood rat culture is glamorized in pop culture, therefore, upheld as the "true Black culture". That is a subculture of the Black population.

And by the way, there are Black people calling out hood rat culture. Alot of Black people who call it out are either ignored or ridiculed. This leads many Black people who have left the ghetto behind to say "what's the use? No one listens". People have been calling it out for years. Hood rat types don't care. Some of those persons only understand violence.
 
Old 10-30-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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" Perhaps blacks should look to jews as an example"

And Italians!
Can we stop trying to compare people that arrived in America not in shackles to blacks? Jews received reparations. Jews had a place, America, that they could go to and be away from their oppessors. Jews and Italians came to the US and joined whiteness. And if you want to bring up Italians, they were and still are the face of organized CRIME. But they were accepted into whiteness for the sake of numbers. People look at those Italian gangsters and mobsters like they were cool. Not like thugs. Many Europeans came to the U.S. after 1900, got on welfare, and became what we know now as the middle class. They told their kids and grandkids that they worked hard and bootstrapped, but really they were on welfare, got affordable loans for housing or land, and benefitted from many government socialist programs. All this stuff magically became bad once more blacks were allowed to benefit from it. And when blacks got on welfare, notice how all of a sudden they started requiring that no black men can live in a family household with black women.


I know that none of this matter to many of you because, with blacks you like to start history at 1970. Fine. But you're not going to play the "look at the Jews game". When you post just state that you're not looking at the full context of black American history. You're looking at snapshot just to attempt to make your argument look somewhat not bad.


Also...like I said before...when talking about crime yall say there's a black culture...when talking about cultural appropriation..."we all share culture...blacks don't have a culture...there's just American culture".
 
Old 10-30-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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The law of averages.

Blacks will commit more crimes and engage in destructive behavior at a higher rate than other races with all things being equal. I'm simply pointing out that I believe there is a genetic factor to said behavior and described a story that is not all that uncommon as an example.

If you don't buy this, I would suggest looking it up. Yes, black children with adoptive parents of other races are still more likely to wind up in prison. You can choose to believe this is because of racism or you can choose to believe it's because of a genetic factor. I personally believe it's a little of both. I by no means dislike any man or women by the color of their skin, but I accept this to be true.

Is what it is (shrugs shoulders)
Law of socialization. Have they ever looked at the kids of adoptive parents who went to prison? What were the parents like? What kinds of kids did those kids hang around? I will give you an example. I have a childhood classmate I grew up with. We're both Black. I was a nerd, I was bullied and ostracized by the kids that he hung around with. They were the trailer park trash trash, the druggies, hood rat wannabes, the losers. Years later, he is addicted to drugs and drinks too much, has a child he hasn't seen in a while. I have no children, I've never been in trouble with the law, no drugs, I'm a light drink (I haven't had an alcoholic beverage since August). We grew up together, but he had a more dysfunctional family. I had issues, but my parents made sure I didn't hang out with losers.

And the last I checked, the vast majority of middle class Blacks aren't responsible for violent crime. It's mostly coming from the poor and underclass. I haven't seen any evidence that middle class Blacks are responsible for more crime than middle class Whites. I see plenty of evidence of poor and underclass Blacks causing alot of problems. Show where genetics makes up the majority of the reason one would become a criminal.
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