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This, not religion, is the root of why LGBT equality and feminism are so intimidating to conservatives. Conservatives believe men and women are expected to fill specific societal roles and deviation from those expected roles should not be tolerated. This is one of the reason that the 1950s is looked back on as a golden age among many conservatives. Men and women knew their place. Homosexuality was not tolerated and transgenderism was unheard of. It was before the feminist movement and most women stayed home while the man went to work.
In addition to being anti-LGBT and anti-feminist, conservative minded people also tend to be against people who don't conform to what is expected based on their gender. This includes people who partake in activities typically associated with the opposite gender and/or not taking part in activities expected for their gender. Examples are things like housekeeping and cooking for women and sports, cars, and hunting for men.
So why is this issue such a big deal to conservatives?
Well, first, I object to you implying that ALL conservatives think the same way, just as I object when anyone says that ALL liberals think the same way. I know many conservatives who have no objection to anything that you wrote above, and I have no objection to any of that, either.
However, speaking only for myself (of course), what I personally object to is anyone who would try to infringe on my freedom to speak as I want, and I am talking about all the contortions that SOME liberals would impose on us (gender neutral pronouns, for example). I also object to my privacy being invaded if apparent men are ever generally permitted as a matter of course to use women's changing rooms, and I also admit that I would feel very uncomfortable if an apparent man came into a public restroom I was using. Finally, I object to very young children (under the age of nine or so) being taught (lectured) that what gender someone is what gender s/he thinks s/he is.
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Conversely, why are liberals so intent on blurring the gender lines?
It leads to a healthier society. The incidence of sexual perversion in conservative areas is distressingly high. When people have to hide their sexual preferences, they resort to prostitution and pornography. You end up with a Republican Senator soliciting anonymous homosexual sex in a men's restroom. If he were able to be more open, he could just have sex with his friends.
It's time for supposed "conservatives" to wake up. Gender lines have always been blurred. Agitating for a return to sexual repression accomplishes nothing.
It goes well beyond that though. Most conservatives oppose LGB rights as well as the T. They support discredited conversion therapy which claims to turn gay people straight. They oppose feminism and they tend to look down on people who don't fall neatly in line with what is traditionally expected for their gender role. For instance, it wasn't until I finally quit going to church and developed a more liberal social circle that I finally stopped being teased for being a guy who doesn't care about football.
As one other poster suggested, you’re creating your own biased strawman conservative stereotype, to include explaining someone else’s motives, which apparently makes you a “social scientist”, with mind reading skills!
Fact is, its a relatively recent development that grown ups have become confused about which bathroom to use. I don’t recall anyone suffering such confusion growing up, because most of us, save for the severely challenged, easily recognized, at an early age, the rather obvious differences between boys and girls, especially as that applies to ourselves.
People can have all kinds of crazy thoughts and ideas, to include a man believing he’s actually a woman, in spite of the clear evidence to the contrary, but how does that benefit the confused man to have all the rest of us pretend he is, and treat him as such by allowing him to use the ladies room?
You see, this is precisely where “conservatives” recognize the insanity in liberal illogic, as the liberal believes the man’s feelings and comfort should be safeguarded by allowing him to use the ladies room, while ignoring the feelings and comfort of all the women who don’t want to share a bathroom with a severely confused male.
It leads to a healthier society. The incidence of sexual perversion in conservative areas is distressingly high. When people have to hide their sexual preferences, they resort to prostitution and pornography. You end up with a Republican Senator soliciting anonymous homosexual sex in a men's restroom. If he were able to be more open, he could just have sex with his friends.
It's time for supposed "conservatives" to wake up. Gender lines have always been blurred. Agitating for a return to sexual repression accomplishes nothing.
Larry, God gave you better sense than this, so what did you do with it?
Sexual perversion, as you seem to be defining it here, would be greeted with severe condemnation from the left, if you were a conservative. I guess being a lefty gives you a free pass? But let’s not let this pass by without correction .... sexual “perversion” and sexual “orientation” are two entirely different things, and orientation, be it heterosexual or homosexual, doesn’t directly define perversion in most people’s minds. Lewd or criminal behavior can indeed be committed by both orientations.
But I tell ya, what is distressingly high is the degree of mental gymnastics required to make such nonsensical claims.
This, not religion, is the root of why LGBT equality and feminism are so intimidating to conservatives. Conservatives believe men and women are expected to fill specific societal roles and deviation from those expected roles should not be tolerated. This is one of the reason that the 1950s is looked back on as a golden age among many conservatives. Men and women knew their place. Homosexuality was not tolerated and transgenderism was unheard of. It was before the feminist movement and most women stayed home while the man went to work.
In addition to being anti-LGBT and anti-feminist, conservative minded people also tend to be against people who don't conform to what is expected based on their gender. This includes people who partake in activities typically associated with the opposite gender and/or not taking part in activities expected for their gender. Examples are things like housekeeping and cooking for women and sports, cars, and hunting for men.
So why is this issue such a big deal to conservatives?
In my previous response, I left a bunch of territory uncovered.
First, I would never be so arrogant as to claim to speak for all conservatives. I can only speak for myself. As to the idea of being “intimidated” by either group ..... totally ridiculous. Let’s take each separately ...
LGBT: this is too broad a term to apply a singular opinion or statement. So let’s break it down. Gay males: I believe this is a born condition, not a “lifestyle choice”. There are, IMHO, brain, chemical and hormonal components which define sexual orientation. That said, homosexuality in males is an abnormal condition not because of moral considerations, but simply because of human reproductive structure, and baseline majority orientation that reflects the heterosexual orientation as the “norm”. Get it? Just as the sun rises in the east, that too is normal. It would be abnormal for it to rise elsewhere, and that is obviously free of any moral implications. Furthermore, while I have no way of knowing how a homosexual male feels, (being a heterosexual myself) I can only consider it probable that gay males attraction to other males is just as compelling as the attraction felt by heterosexuals to females. Consequently, it would be, in my view, just as immoral for society to require heterosexual adherence from homosexuals, as it would be to require homosexual adherence from me, if I found myself in a dominant homosexual environment. For those same reasons, I dismiss the existence of male bisexuality as nothing more than some homosexual males willing to satisfy an urge as the opportunity presents, with perhaps some residual component of normal sexual chemistry with females
As for lesbian and bi females, I believe the lines blur a bit more, and there may indeed be more of an element of choice involved in many instances, particularly given how it is quite natural for even straight females to be more intimate with one another, than you’d ever witness straight males behave with one another. I think the element of curiosity and experimentation is far more prevalent among females.
All of this being said, the problem, at least from this conservative’s point of view, has nothing to do with prejudice, phobia, or morality, and everything to do with honesty, rationality, and the best interests of the human species. The error, and danger in this clear push to “normalize” the abnormal, even to the extent of promoting and celebrating homosexuality, may indeed have unforeseen consequences.
Considering the fact that heterosexual behavior is the primary means of propagation of the human species, homosexuality must consequently be viewed as a counterproductive to that end. Homosexuality, practiced more commonly on a grander scale could ultimately lead to human extinction. Obviously, promoting and celebrating that which is clearly counterproductive to the continuation of the human species is in fact, self destructive insanity.
I would further argue that anything which leads to the disruption or destruction of the traditional family model poses a significant threat. Feminism, in its more radical form, is indeed just as much a threat, given its effect of inducing male/female divisiveness, and it’s clear agenda of demonizing males, and the ridiculous promotion of the need to eliminate “toxic masculinity” .... which is just a veiled and covert attack on men, and on that traditional family model.
The reality is, nothing has caused more harm to women, to children of both genders, and to the traditional family model than the lies of feminism’s false promises, which, by the way, was promoted and funded by the CIA, and it’s poster child agent, Gloria Steinem. What feminism actually delivered was brainwashing women to view men in unfavorable terms, while creating a new economic reality which replaced the once common one income family for the new, now required two income family in order to make ends meet. This not only placed greater pressure on the traditional family model, but has also made it far more difficult for single mothers to survive economically. For most women, the choice has long been eliminated of choosing to be full time, stay at home moms, and raising their kids to be emotionally stable, and well adjusted future adult members of society. The negative impact on society continues to manifest.
I challenge you to name any leftist agenda item, and I will dissect it down to its destructive nature, by design.
Go ahead .... which one is NOT destructive by nature? Abortion? Open borders? Sanctuary Cities? Gun confiscation? State controlled schools? Forced vaccinations? Homosexuality? Sex education for 7 year olds? High taxes? Government controlled healthcare? Attack on freedom of speech? Carbon Taxes? The Green New Deal? Free Medicare for all? Free college for all? Marxism, socialism, communism, oh my! Vote for me and everything is free ..... sings the choir of ner-do-well democrat leftist radical lunatics.
If they ever get their way, I promise you, ALL OF US WILL PAY A VERY HEAVY PRICE.
All this trans stuff is personally sickening and repulsive. When you see males transitioned and can pass for a female, it makes all and real females questionable and less attractive and of value. It's playing with nature and biology and I can't put into words how repulsive, sickening and degenerate it is.
Be who you want to be. I don't care. Be a freak show, lop your penis off or turn it inside out, have surgical implanted breasts, take hormones whatever. But do it on your own dime.
I don't care.
But I'm going to call you whatever pronoun I want that I'm comfortable calling you. Don't force me to be uncomfortable taking time to try to figure out if someone is male it female. I will address you how I feel comfortable doing. It's not society's problem to figure out what you are trying to do
Society has clearly defined gender roles for thousands of years. They work. Just because you choose to try and change who you are don't expect everyone else to accommodate you.
Years ago people who did this were declared mentally insane or were perverts.
Or were simply underground or in the closet. Some of them were otherwise known figures today. So they didn't even need to let people know what gender they thought they were or wanted to dress as to get fame.
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