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Old 11-05-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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Not at all. Try this:

Mopery is a crime that carries a punishment of 50 years in prison, and you suspect that the mayor and a number of his aides are all guilty of mopery. Sadly, mopery is very hard to prove, relying extensively on witness testimony - and nobody wants to talk.

Dopery is a crime that carries a punishment of 5 years in jail and being scolded as a naughty boy in front of the courthouse. Turns out, you can build a very strong case, purely on technical evidence, that one of the the mayor's aides is guilty of dopery. So you arrest him on the dopery charge, shows him and his lawyer the evidence that makes it clear that in court, he'll be found guilty of dopery. (This is the strong case.)

And as they digest that, you bring up the mopery investigation that also involves the aide. No, he's not arrested for that, certainly. Not yet. But perhaps a bit of cooperation on the mopery investigation could lead to leniency on the dopery one.

The mayor's aide has two options:
  • He can refuse all cooperation, go for broke, and be almost certain of 5 years in the slammer, a scolding, and uncertainty about the much more serious mopery investigation.
  • Or he can cooperate, get a very light sentence on the dopery charge and possibly avoid mopery charges at all.

Manafort is going in for dopery.
I like this explaining - easy to understand.
So -- what happens if a Dopery charge MUST be brought in a Civil Court and Mopery charge must be brought in a Criminal Court - and the Dopery charge is brought in the Criminal Court instead of the Civil Court?

Do the two Courts fight it out? Does the Dopery become a Mopery or does the entire thing get tossed?
Add to that - what happened if the Judge says -- there is no Statute that addresses either Dopery or Mopery?
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:51 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You only need one if you’re not some major shady character. Manafort had 3 passports and tried to get 10! Plus, he has traveled under several aliases. What is he trying to hide?

Now, Manafort is trying to post 10 million dollar bond (Bernie Madoff also had a 10 million dollar bond) and trying to deny he is a flight risk (even though he has more passports than a spy novel villain). He should be in jail awaiting trial. Although, if he flees the country it’s over for Trump. The more light that’s put on Trump and Co the more the roaches scurry.

Then there’s the issue of his small collection of three U.S. passports, which is apparently fewer than he’d like to have. In the past decade he’s submitted applications for ten different passports, the filing said.

Manafort Has 3 U.S. Passports and Used Fake Name to Travel
So what? My 12 y/o daughters have three passports.
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: FL
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So what? My 12 y/o daughters have three passports.
Under different names?
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:05 PM
 
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Under different names?
Paul Manafort's passport are ALL in his name - ALL of them approved by the US State Department.
Why exactly do you think differently?
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:05 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Under different names?
No, but then neither were Manafort's.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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I bet most of the people on this forum have never even had one passport.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So what? My 12 y/o daughters have three passports.
I have three (maybe more) passports. All but one are expired.
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