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View Poll Results: What would be the most effective at curbing America’s gun violence?
More guns in the hands of more people 92 41.44%
Less guns in the hands of less people 130 58.56%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-05-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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anybody committing a crime with a gun, automatic death penalty, anybody associated with that crime, life in prison without parole
How about the one committing a crime with a truck, or an explosive-loaded pressure cooker, or other homemade explosive, or with a knife, or a baseball bat?

It's the same deal as a drunk driver who kills someone on the road and receives a stiffer penalty than another not driving under the influence who still kills another person on the road. Should a person who commits a crime with a gun receive a stiffer penalty than another committing a crime with a bomb?

Shouldn't the victim and the crime committed have more importance than the mode used to kill?

For some reason our society has lost its common sense or logic and switched into making decisions based on emotions.

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Old 11-05-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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I'll take a higher assault rate than a mass murder with gun rate. Scotland's assault rate is probably heavily related to their insane drinking culture.

How about Norway, Germany, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Austria, Luxembourg, Switzerland? All astronomically lower violence than the US, all heavily restricted gun access.
Incorrect yet again.

Switzerland's gun laws are very similary to that in the USA.

You are simply stating assumption as fact and then making a generalization fallacy.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So gangland areas should be among the safest parts of a city then, right?
Most gang members are prohibited from possessing guns. How is that working?
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Most gang members are prohibited from possessing guns. How is that working?
Not so good. That’s why we need less guns in the hands of less people.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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It was already against the law for Devin Kelley to own a gun.

So much for the gun control argument.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The real answer is:

More guns in the hands of good people and less guns in the hands of convicted felons.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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Not so good. That’s why we need less guns in the hands of less people.
So you are calling for gun confiscation from legal owners?
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You might want to look up the meaning of assault under Scottish Law. It's far more broad than in the US. It doesn't require any physical contact, as they make no distinction between Assault and Battery.

A threatening gesture without physical contact constitutes assault under Scottish and UK law. I can assure you if the US had Assault laws based on that criteria, our assault rates would be astronomical. Thus your statistics are meaningless.
Wow. I didn't know that. Good catch.

At the same time there is no way to measure crime between countries because of different definitions and and counting measures.

So I guess we'll never know. Case closed.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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So you are calling for gun confiscation from legal owners?
Yup. I’m coming for yer guns.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Houston
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We have actually been quite successful in reducing homicides in the last quarter century.
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