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View Poll Results: What would be the most effective at curbing America’s gun violence?
More guns in the hands of more people 92 41.44%
Less guns in the hands of less people 130 58.56%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-05-2017, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Actually, the founding fathers allowed for private citizens to own, possess, and utilize wmd’s (in addition to assault weapons). Your lack of historical knowledge is telling, and it seriously dampers your credibility in this discussion.
Provide examples of the types of weapons of mass destruction private citizens owned in 1791
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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Ahh I see you can only stick to false equivalencies and projection. The only thing a liberal is good at. Tell me when did I advocate or suggest the private citizen shall have a nuke? The second amendment was written for arms relevant to the common marine/infantry soldier. I have alot of friends who were infantry. They didn't have access to nukes...

Oh!

How'd that link work for ya?
Great. 33,000 fire arms deaths a year and you’re cheering it?

You’re the one stating guns are inanimate objects so they should have no culpability. Nukes are also inanimate objects too Einstein. And if you want to go back to the arms that were available when the second amendment was enacted then be my guest. Enjoy your musket.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:09 PM
 
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Those that don't. That's their decision. Don't like them, don't buy them. Simple as that.
Selfish isn't doing for yourself for your benefit. Selfish is making others do for yourself for your benefit.

Can own firearms or not. That's your choice.

Don't go pushing your will onto others. Simple as that.
I'm pointing out my friend, that in response to your post about fear of firearms, the people living in fear are the ones that own them, not the people that don't.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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That depends on the state. There are states where it is perfectly legal to carry open while walking on a sidewalk.
It's perfectly legal to carry concealed while driving as well.
As I stated, streets are NOT gun free zones, yet many drive bys occur daily.

Explain that???
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:12 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Wrong, when cars are involved they almost always blame alcohol or drugs (which are banned)

People blame car accidents on texting all the time as well, that's why it's illegal in many areas, so you are wrong.

I have a car, I have a gun, and I consume alcohol, but I'm not naive or ignorant enough to think that more of those things don't increase accidents or deaths, that is just common sense man.
Guess you've never driven in the north east (NY VT MA CT) or down here in Florida...
You'd be surprised how many nondrivers are on the roads who legit can not drive nor should they have licenses to drive especially during the winter.

Florida is unique as its one big fluster cluck of drivers from all over.
That and between my generation and younger with cell phones, and old snowbirds stroking out...

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Police blame alcohol in 2-car crash: North Olmsted police blotter | cleveland.com


Have no desire to take your guns away, just stating a fact. Stating a fact is not pushing my will.


Ahh the tried and true I don't want to take your guns away... ahh yes, the failed feel good reassurance.

No you don't want to take what I currently have. You just want to restrict future generations and what I have access to at a later time and date because it makes you feel good.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: London
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Countries Compared by Crime > Assault rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_..._United_States

First shows assault rates around the world. Scotland 1,655.1. U.S. in the second link at 237.8

Countries Compared by Crime > Robberies. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

This link shows robbery rate in 2006 when Spain was 25% higher. Our rate has decreased from 146.4 to 101.9 in 2015 so unless Spain has followed a similar drop they might be much higher than us.
Nice try, but the first link compares simple assault (the other countries) with USA's rate of aggravated assault (in the second link).

Aggravated assault is far more serious than assault.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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Provide examples of the types of weapons of mass destruction private citizens owned in 1791
Do a little research on warships and letters of marque.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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This poll pretty accurately reflects the mood of the nation. A poll taken right after Las Vegas showed that 64% of Americans favored more strict gun laws. The needle is inching up, but I'm not naive. I know it's going to take a lot more slaughter before we find the political will to address this insanity.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:15 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Great. 33,000 fire arms deaths a year and you’re cheering it?

You’re the one stating guns are inanimate objects so they should have no culpability. Nukes are also inanimate objects too Einstein. And if you want to go back to the arms that were available when the second amendment was enacted then be my guest.
LOL this is what it looks like when your argument runs out of steam.

That link worked... this thread is titled firearm violence. I see you dodged acknowledging the numbers from that graph as that is relevant. Not 21k suicides.

Or did you shift goal posts again and now consider suicide violence that is inflicted onto others?
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Nice try, but the first link compares simple assault (the other countries) with USA's rate of aggravated assault (in the second link).

Aggravated assault is far more serious than assault.
Relax. We went over this later on in the thread.
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